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Singaporean ashamed by ‘bigotry’ displayed by netizens

Posted by temasektimes on June 20, 2012

I am a Singaporean and after reading all the comments and blogs from you bigots, I am ashamed to call you my fellow countrymen. I can only conclude that many of you are bo ka si, never taught any manners by your parents and probably the result of being raised by maids from the countries you so detest.

I work in a managerial position and I hire new staff from time to time. But given a choice between a local and a foreigner, I would hire the foreigner anytime. I have no issues with paying NS increments but let me tell you why I will choose the foreigner.

Singaporean youngsters are arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship. You guys have lost the hunger to succeed. All you care about is fun fun fun. You come to work late and leave early. In between, you get on facebook, tweeter, instant messaging, hold chit chat orgies, take multiple coffee breaks, post racist blogs, or play computer games.

You go on medical leave wantonly, which seem to miraculously coincide with days just before and after long weekends or after a big early morning soccer match on tv. Some of you AWOL altogether, sometimes for days on end. You are sloppy in your work and demand such low quality of yourselves. You have a short memory and either cannot understand simple instructions or pretend not to be able to. When reprimanded for your sloppiness or mistake, you either cry, argue back or quit the job. You guys are just a bunch of pulpy strawberries. I am sure many middle aged Singaporean managers will agree with me on this.

There was a time when Singaporeans were known as honest, tough, resilient, conscientious, hardworking people. This is fast becoming a thing of the past, only a page of history to be confined to the deep recesses of the memory. If the nation were to rely solely on you guys to support the economy, the country will be in deep shit.

If you had been reading the papers, which I doubt many of you have, businesses in Singapore feeling the pinch from the recent changes in labor import policies. You guys are probably feeling very smug and happy that foreign talents and workers are being punished. If you think foreigners are being punished, you are just being shallow. If the economy suffers, you will suffer. There is no escaping.

It may seem like the gov’t is finally giving in to your war cry but in actual fact, what they are doing may be simply transferring the pressure onto you. If you want to complain, fine. I will give you what you want and let’s see what happens. Isn’t this the strategy parents use on their wayward kids in the days of old? Have parents stopped doing so, just like how they stop telling their kids they are stupid when they do stupid things?

If you don’t tell your kids they are stupid when they do stupid things, they will grow up not knowing what stupid is. And they will do stupid things. Do you ask yourself how this whole foreign talent business started? Who first started the trend of hiring foreigners? Foreigners themselves? I think not. They are amongst you. You might even know or are related to some of them. So why did they start hiring foreigners in the first place? Did something change? Are they selling their own countrymen short? Can the gov’t alone be responsible for all this? Do you know that thousands of jobs remain untaken at job fairs each year? Many people rather be unemployed than to take up lowly jobs.

There is one job reserved exclusively for citizens in Singapore….and that is taxi driving. What do you think of the level of service of taxi drivers in Singapore? Are you satisfied with their service? Can you use them as exemplary high quality Singaporean service?

OLD GUARD

*The above was first posted as a comment on The Temasek Times

186 Responses to “Singaporean ashamed by ‘bigotry’ displayed by netizens”

  1. Lim said

    foreigners are no angels. they are guai and obedient because they have no choice – loans at home, in foreign land exploited by employers. don’t be so quick to condemn and put down locals.

  2. Not all foreigners are hardworking. Give them a few years here and you can expect them to talk back to you. I have known of one foreign worker who complaint about working 10 hours and wanted to quit the job. He told me he had been here for many years working for 12 hour shift and had a sum of money in his bank account.

  3. P Koh said

    Hi Old Guard, you must have heard the phrase “It takes all sorts to make this world”. Where there is good there is bad where there is black there is white. What you have been reading is just a sampling of the people who wrote in to express their views and while some expressed them in courteous ways there will be those who enjoy writing them with expletives which do not look good. For the 20% who cursed and sweared at anything and everything there will be another 80% who are entirely on the other end of the scale. Also it is not right to attach poor upbring to maids for the duty of raising good children squarely rests on the shoulders of the parents and also to a greater extent the influence of teachers and friends. So, please do not get upset and live life positively and accept that “Life Is”. I hope not because of what you read you are going to deprive Singaporeans of jobs which you are able to offer. That would be taking matters to the extreme. Cheer up there are plenty of people out there you can meet who will give you a positive outlook too.

    • P Koh said

      There is such a thing as Pride and if we pride ourselves for what we are, for what we do for a living, live positively and not be influenced by the actions of the uncultured, then we are alright. Remember that pride is different from ego and if we continue to inculcate human values to our children, life is so much happier.

  4. elephantman said

    no worries, pretty soon, you will be replaced by a cheaper Ft too, I was. That’s the way it goes…it’s call the PMET problem. The main problems is with Singaporean above the age of 40 not being able to get a job again. It’s not about the youngsters that you are talking about.

    • G M said

      Nice one! Let’s see if this S’porean traitor can be so smug when he is displaced by an FT.

      • Dada Ong said

        Being displaced by an FT in his position won’t just end there. Let’s hope that when he goes job hunting that other Sg hiring managers will say the very same thing to him. Let this guy eat his own words!

  5. Jack said

    Sorry, I cannot agree with you. My colleagues, FTs are always late for work., leave earlier and go on MCs frequently. My point is this, your personal experience is just your personal experience, do not generalise it, Thank you.

    • Dada Ong said

      Indeed true! Singaporeans aren’t lazy. But I have to admit they are picky and sometimes demanding. I have known many locals who work till past their official working hours. The author is just making a sweeping statement based on the few bad encounters he has with locals.
      And seriously, the author appears to me that he might be a manager in some F&B joint. Just my conjecture but I may be wrong in this. Usually such places tend to recruit very young locals who are part-timers, thus the need for quality work is not really in their mindset due to the low per hour salary and that this is just another stepping stone job.

      It is unfair that the author would use his sole experience and turn it into a general sweeping statement. That said, I have previously worked in a nursing home which have more than 75% of foreign staff (about 300 foreign staff strength as nurses, general workers and healthcare attendants). While there are some truly competant, hardworking and responsibile FTs whom I worked with, there are some a handful of the lazy ones who skive when it is their turn to be on duty. I have seen many cases that if they can push the job duty to another foreign colleague, they will happily do so.

    • EPS said

      But aren’t we all prone to generalism? I m sure u r a culprit of that? So am I to b honest. I guess old guard is just trying to make a comment on how singaporeans are in of late and before. I m a salaried worker who’s job got taken over by an FT but I was fortunate to see both spectrums of the good and bad of these FTs. Some are scum yes, but some are also nice.

  6. Manager eh said

    Actually i find it very strange that a “manager” has such ample time to be the one who is so free to do such a write-up…normally managers would have much better things to do..Ooops..

    • ching said

      lol, based on your attempt to insult Old Guard, you’re actually revealing that you are just a lowly worker who has lots of free time to spare. maybe people have better time management and are more intelligent such that they can write such a ‘lengthy’ post in a way shorter time than you can.

  7. mahbok tan ( hic....hic... ) said

    Let me be the first to say “FUCK YOU”.

    You can foollow your master into the grave for all I care…..!!!! But to say that SGporean are arrogant and lazy , just look at the mirror yourself!!!

    Old Guard , where are your dignity ? you are prostituting yourself in the name of Globalisation ….!!! No wonder your family are all arrogant and Lazy coz you have all the money for them stash somewhere in the carribean or swiss bank or in HK !!!

    The least is that we do not expect handouts from the GOVT of the DAY but work hard till we drop dead.

    Last but not least . KNNBCCB to you and family…!!!

    • 60+ said

      This old guard must be nut, pay peanuts get peanuts.
      What do you expect to get when Singaporean have to contribute Medisave, CPF, Retirement Fund etc. F_ _ king FT get solid cash, accumulate enough and f SIN.
      I am a old guard myself, so don’t talk cock,

    • IronMan said

      Well said. This old guard is more of security guard than manager. He should get out of his shell more often, or at least get his head out of his ass for a moment, out of courtesy for the true SG.
      Being a manager, is a organized leader whom r able to motivate his men at all times. I, myself, had been a team leader and a trainer in my previous company for 7.5 yrs. Pinoys r the most difficult trainees. I gave up on them. Constantly in need of motivation, no initiative. I have been able to transform the one Malaysian who is the laziest and incompetent of workers into an excellent worker. Obviously, Old Guard, is one of the useless manager around, that even I working under him would resign just a week later.

  8. gasp said

    As a 28 year old singaporean, I confirm this. We are getting too soft.

    • Dada Ong said

      Softie than our predecessors, yes. I agree too. But definitely not as extreme (lazy, irresponsible, etc…) as how the author makes them out to be. I see his story as a general sweeping statement.

    • whatever... said

      As a 30 year old Singaporean, I confirm that we are not getting too soft…

  9. Marc said

    LEAD BY EXAMPLE
    IMHO, It falls upon us who’re in managerial position to mentor, coach and inculcate the exact values and proper work ethics to our next generations of young local workers.

    There are some who can never make it but there will also be the good ones that will be groomed through these efforts. We mustn’t write them off without giving them the opportunity.

  10. This is what I wanted to post all this while but unfortunately I am no Singaporean. My first contact with Singapore was in 1962 when I saw my late sister off to England in a charter airline called Southern Cross. I love Singapore so much that I visited every Singapore Grand Prix at the old Thomson road circuit. The GP was cancelled after the death of my dear friend Lionel Chan. I know am a Canadian citizen and in my travels I always tell people that I come in contact with that I am a Singaporean. Why? because Singapore then was known as the Rugged Society.
    Today all this crap on foreigner bashing has given Singapore negative publicity.
    To you young wimpy generation of Singaporeans grow up.
    I am a baby boomer and from the Old School.

    • A Singaporean Abroad said

      Sorry Kenny, you say so yourself that you do not live in Singapore and you rarely visit the country. When you do, you probably see Singapore through the eyes of a tourist. You admit that you are a Singaporean wannabe although you are a Canadian citizen. Consequently, you cannot possibly understand what Singaporeans now go through daily living on the small tiny island crammed with FTs taking away their jobs, space and whatever little liberty that a Singaporean has. I may be a Singaporean abroad… but I fully understand the situation as I go back to Singapore on home visits very often. I have family and friends whom I keep in touch with all the time. I do not think you have the right to criticise Singaporeans for voicing their opinion on FTs.

      • Compatriot said

        Well said my goodman,may I add, No foreigner,visitor or tourist alike can never ever emphatise the feelings and predicaments of Singaporeans

        These sordid behaviour and unjustifiable treatments that Singaporeans are facing and having today currently brought and imposed by the ruling government of the day

      • P Koh said

        There is definitely a changing tide in Singapore and cannot be ignored or be swept under the carpet. Somehow it does seem that although the government talked so much about change to give hope, heart and home but what I am seeing is far from the truth. More positive actions need to be taken before the erosion of our local culture become unredeemable.

  11. WoW …. I like this post of Old Guard … maybe complacency made the young singaporeans loose their edge… also being raise by the biological mother is much better of course than with the Maid… Like here in japan where I have been working for the past 6 years. I see the japanese mothers carrying their small babies in knapsack kind of contraption. If the singaporean young guy who pushed an old woman off a bus is an example, then indeed the young singaporeans are lossing it… foreign workers hiring is a temporary short term fix. A long term corrective action will be needed…. Btw I am a filipino qa engr here in japan.

  12. Singaporean said

    Dear Sir of the Old school.

    Firstly, I would want to say that your comment on Singaporeans being lazy is an unfair generalization of Native Singaporeans here. I believe that your experience with those ‘lazy Singaporeans’ might be of the older graduates. I am a young graduate, willing to work hard and have no issues with hard work and long hours. And I have many friends around me who have the same mentality and attitude as I do. I believe that the new graduates like myself are able to work harder and better then those foreigners you praised in your article above.

    We resent foreigners because they dilute our unique Singaporean Culture. Foreigners seen here are rowdy, rude, competent, and think that they own the place. Some even have the cheek to say, “without us, Singaporeans are nothing.” Aliens seem to think that they own Singapore. They pretend to be oblivious to the surroundings around them and are insensitive to people, much less the Singaporean Natives. However, that is from my observation over the pass year.

    Do support Singaporeans here. The younger generations of Singaporeans here are hard working and want to strive for the best. Foreigners on the other hand, have turned lazy and complacent. Take heed to the Native Singaporeans’ voices. Singaporeans now a days feel like we are being treated as second class. And the foreigners seem to notice that and they are taking advantage of this. I urge you Sir, to support local talent.

    Singaporean.

    • Singaporean said

      And I want to add this – Majulah Singapura.

      • Exaggerated said

        I do not agree with the article. At least through my experiences with foreigners working in Singapore. Unfortunately, I have to classify them into nationality and I have my reasons. Let’s look at it on a bigger picture and not stand purely on your point.

        Firstly, foreigners coming into Singapore to work are not a thing that happened recently. There have always been foreigners coming into Singapore to work. We did not have issues with them then. It was only until recently years when the intake implemented was regarded as a flop and prove detrimental to the citizens that such became an issue.

        Companies were abusing the policy, which no other countries have ever have such loose red tape to prevent their citizens from work and salary increment opportunities, except Singapore.

        Secondly, in the past, there have never been uproar of foreigners showing disrespect to the citizens. Maybe there are a few cases, but it has not proliferated till today’s extent. To add fuel to the fire, Even our own government sided with the outsiders. As the saying goes, “do as the Romans do when in Rome”. Our government and the foreigners wants otherwise.

        Thirdly, the government are not doing anything even after being berated by the foreigners. No pride is left within the country when the governance is such. Foreigners are abusing their rights to raise the entry into the company for Singaporeans and special routes for their own fellow countryman.

        I do agree that there are a group of people who are like what the author has mentioned but times have also move and yes, the new generation might not be as tough as the baby boomers but they are definitely tougher then what the author have mentioned.

        Look at how the government takes care of the citizens. How many Singapore born companies have you heard of in the international scene despite Singapore progressing so quickly. Look at South Korea, Japan, etc. The country governance always has the countryman first policy. Look at how proud the Koreans and Japanese are of their products. Singapore? It is no blame of anybody when the direction of governance is always pro foreigners. We are building on others people success and not ours.

        It is true that a lot of people are not taking up lowly jobs, but with $1200/mth and cost of living raising up faster then your salary increment. Less CPF deductions, utilities and rental. What else have the person have left? It is not that Singaporeans despise lowly job but on a job where you can hardly survive on? Not to mention foreigners cost 2/3 of Singaporeans.

        If you have ever experience services in retail, f&b services, call centre, etc by the Filipinos and the PRC chinese, you will know what i mean. when I ask for a product the PRC chinese girl couldn’t understand what I want and the Filipino lady asked me to look for it myself compare to a Singaporean malay girl who told me Singapore does not carry that particular model, apologise for it and tells me which country carries it. So……….who is actually providing good services here?

        A call centre filipino lady who speaks english that I cannot understand and made me repeat myself over and over again because she cannot understand me compare to a Singaporean who are able to assist me on my request immediately.

        A PRC chinese girl working in a restaurant who does not give a damm about me and other customers, throwing dishes on the table and stares at you when you were shock at that kind of service.

        There are many more others have experience, is terms of service and job loss. Yes, I am generalising into nationality, not because I hate them but from experiences.

        Yes, Singaporeans might not give the best service. Our government are comprise of Singaporeans too. Do you think the recent years ministers have done a good job?

        I am sure everybody has an answer in their heart.

    • john said

      there are many available jobs in construction… you say you are willing to work hard? up for the challenge? take one… :) just don’t mind the long hours, the heat, the dust, and the pressure in the site meetings and in dealing with people of various races.. :)

      like the author said…

      there are a lot of unclaimed jobs available every year…

      if this country is over saturated with foreigners….

      why is still there so many jobs available?

      don’t take my word for it…

      visit the online job portals…

      everyday they have postings of available jobs! :)

    • john said

      for the oh so many angry and unemployed singaporeans who resort to COWARDLY and BARBARIC and completely JUVENILE acts like throwing hot curry sauce on top of the heads of foreigners (…just wondering why you can’t pick a fight face to face…? scared?lol)

      here you go…

      http://www.monster.com.sg

      http://jobsdb.com.sg

      http://jobstreet.com.sg

      http://jobcentral.com

      there are so many openings there! all you guys have to do is to actually make an effort of finding a job instead of expecting to be offered one…

      to ensure you don’t lose a job once you land one…. (to ensure you don’t get replaced by an FT) then be productive enough and competitive enough… instead of whining… compete! instead of being a sore loser… improve! instead of resorting to cheap acts of blind hate… act like the upstanding, highly educated people that you say you are!

      • 过来人 said

        Dear John
        I believe you have never tried the job sites above yourself.
        Please try to apply a few jobs and see who will reply your application.
        I can say NONE or less than 2% will reply your application.

        FYI I am referring to PMET Jobs.

      • naivety said

        Allo John…are you daft & so naive that you don’t know that for each advertised post or vancany in the respective job websites, there are at least more than a hundred applicants (includes FTs + FWs) fighting over it? Some managerial positions even have more than a thousand applicants fighting for just 1 position!

        Some companies have no real jobs opening but advertised the openings just to collect information, data & resumes…just like doing market research & surveys!

        So naive & daft…believing everything you heard & see are so true indeed!

      • Exaggerated said

        Just a word of advice

        (…just wondering why you can’t pick a fight face to face…? scared?lol)

        AIDING AND ABETTING

        The guilt of a person in a criminal case may be proved without evidence that he personally did every act involved in the commission of the crime charged. The law recognizes that, ordinarily, anything a person can do for himself may also be accomplished through direction of another person as an agent, or by acting together with, or under the direction of, another person or persons in a joint effort.

        So, if the acts or conduct of an agent, employee or other associate of the person are willfully directed or authorized by the person, or if the person aids and abets another person by willfully joining together with that person in the commission of a crime, then the law holds the person responsible for the conduct of that other person just as though the person had engaged in such conduct himself.x Notice, however, that before any person can be held criminally responsible for the conduct of others it is necessary that the person willfully associate himself in some way with the crime, and willfully participate in it. Mere presence at the scene of a crime and even knowledge that a crime is being committed are not sufficient to establish that a person either directed or aided and abetted the crime.

      • Singaporean PMET out of job said

        John.
        I HOPE YOU LOOSE YOU JOB SOON.. MAY BAD KARMA BE UPON YOU SOON!!!!

      • John said

        过来人 said
        June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

        Dear John

        I believe you have never tried the job sites above yourself.
        Please try to apply a few jobs and see who will reply your application.
        I can say NONE or less than 2% will reply your application.

        FYI I am referring to PMET Jobs.

        —> PMET (Professionals, Managers, Executives, & Technicians) there are plenty of jobs available there. And yes i have tried those sites. As a matter of fact monster.com is quite effective since i receive calls for potential jobs from that site… i’m not telling you to apply for a general worker, i’m not suggesting you try to be a cleaner, i was actually referring to.. yes! PMET jobs…

        Now… i think you’re the one who hasn’t tried those sites.. or at least.. hasn’t tried HARD ENOUGH… because of your conclusion that “NONE” reply to you or less than 2%…

        your solution? to just quit and whine about it? come on dude… put some steel in your spine… get up from your comfy couch… LOOK for a job… and don’t just “try to apply a FEW jobs” and then quit when none reply… apply and apply and apply! and for God sakes.. if you’re a fresh graduate… don’t immediately demand a 5k salary! don’t immediately expect to have high pay… work your way up dude! of course companies will prefer FT’s with lower salary expectations.. business is business… but once you’re hired and inside? make yourself valuable so
        you won’t easily be replaced and you’d get higher pay…

        i’ll say this about you though.. at least you’re argument is somewhat coolheaded as opposed to some here… ^_^

        —oOo—

        naivety said
        June 20, 2012 at 5:33 pm
        Allo John…are you daft & so naive that you don’t know that for each advertised post or vancany in the respective job websites, there are at least more than a hundred applicants (includes FTs + FWs) fighting over it? Some managerial positions even have more than a thousand applicants fighting for just 1 position!

        Some companies have no real jobs opening but advertised the openings just to collect information, data & resumes…just like doing market research & surveys!

        So naive & daft…believing everything you heard & see are so true indeed!

        —> no i am not daft and i am not naive as the job i found, i found through those job portals i just mentioned..like i said above.. just because you failed a few times.. does that mean you should just stop and blame the world for being unfair to you? grow up man!

        “Some managerial positions even have more than a thousand applicants fighting for just 1 position”

        —> then it is not that there are no jobs.. it’s just that there are NO jobs that YOU dream of having… “aiyah i singaporean leh… i should be manager what?” you know… some people in the US? or even in Canada? hold as much as 2 jobs… nevermind if it isn’t a managerial position… a job is a job… i understand here it will probably kill you to have 2 jobs… heck 1 job here you have to work until 9pm at times… but that’s not really my original point.. my original point is… THERE ARE jobs… THERE ARE vacancies… but it just so happens that the jobs available are jobs you normally don’t want… i’ve seen 2 singaporeans last only one month just working as a safety coordinator at site.. they don’t even have to attend the daily site meetings or go up on the roof under the hot sun… and they didn’t even bother leaving a resignation letter… just gone.

        “Some companies have no real jobs opening but advertised the openings just to collect information, data & resumes…just like doing market research & surveys!”

        —> you said it yourself… “SOME” companies have no real job openings…. “SOME” not “ALL”. so i must repeat…. if you fail in your online application once or twice or heck even a hundred times… should you just quit? is that enough reason to call the world unfair just because it is not tailor made to suit your own individual needs? is it enough to promote hate towards all FT’s because you are not evloved enough to compete in the environment you’re living in?

        “So naive & daft…believing everything you heard & see are so true indeed!”

        —> naivety and daftness would be for those who are quick to point a finger when things are not going their way… you are your own inventory… make use of yourself… stop whining… ACT! do not put the blame on others for your lack of success…

        —oOo—

        Exaggerated said
        June 20, 2012 at 6:18 pm
        Just a word of advice

        (…just wondering why you can’t pick a fight face to face…? scared?lol)

        AIDING AND ABETTING

        The guilt of a person in a criminal case may be proved without evidence that he personally did every act involved in the commission of the crime charged. The law recognizes that, ordinarily, anything a person can do for himself may also be accomplished through direction of another person as an agent, or by acting together with, or under the direction of, another person or persons in a joint effort.

        So, if the acts or conduct of an agent, employee or other associate of the person are willfully directed or authorized by the person, or if the person aids and abets another person by willfully joining together with that person in the commission of a crime, then the law holds the person responsible for the conduct of that other person just as though the person had engaged in such conduct himself.x Notice, however, that before any person can be held criminally responsible for the conduct of others it is necessary that the person willfully associate himself in some way with the crime, and willfully participate in it. Mere presence at the scene of a crime and even knowledge that a crime is being committed are not sufficient to establish that a person either directed or aided and abetted the crime.

        —> LOL that’s quite a mouthful! sorry about that…. i was angry when i wrote that after i read that incident and read the comments how singaporeans actually enjoyed that callous act… please singaporeans… hate can only produce more hate…

        of course i also am aware that just because one apple is rotten.. doesn’t mean the entire basket is full of rotten apples.. but if actions are slow… that one rotten apple could ruin the rest in the basket…

  13. by-stander said

    I beg to differ…it needs multiple hands to clap to roll over as of today a national displeasure and discontent.
    ASK to any companies: who started cut cost? Gov raising or property owner raising rental capital? *finger started pointing.

    ASK to any local singaporean of all ages: i am paid 1.5k and after CPF deduction. how much i left? I have family…how to survive? stress leads to poor productivity and quality…does employer give a damn fuck on your family problems?

    ASK to any foreigner of all national: Are you seeking a better life out there if someone is able to employ you and allow u to feed a family back in your hometown? will you feel gratitude towards that employer and more willing to work? Views of conception is different. Think again…if UK where to ask you to work there with pay 5K pound will u work till u drop for it?

    ASK to govt policies: Which country dont need a balance of work force? does that leads to flood gate whereby all employers prefer foreigner even though they are sub below par from the universities they once studied? What happens to our local kids who studied so hard to make it to NTU and NUS??? Are you telling them to go to other nation universities to study? will they be treated the same as foreigner holding the same degree of the same university???? Our govt put through so much effort to provide every generation with proper education…do you want your kids to be working as construction worker??? or should i put it as how many parents who had endured past hardship want to see their children going through the same? have us as their children whipped to excel in exams??

    I do agree that younger generation of Singaporean do have a lack of the past qualities. But does that mean that as OLD GUARD u have no duties to train them properly??? Or you are still living in a world of your own era still??

    I see that you are seeking faster track rather than slipping deep to pass on good qualities to the young. No difference to our govt…

  14. old fool said

    Just admit that you hire FT because they are cheap, so that the company can make more money and continue to pay your managerial salary.

    Your complaint about younger Singaporeans just show your lack of managerial skills, easy to manage FT right, because they are more obedient.

    If the economy suffers, the young will not suffer as much as you. At middle age, if you out of job, then the chances of people hiring you is slim. Then you probably end up driving taxi. Hope the economy suffers and you go out of job. Then see who is the one driving taxi.

  15. Utter Rubbish said

    2 words for u Old Guard – F you!

  16. Jaded said

    blah blah blah… i have heard too many of such comments from our million dollar Ministers liao… delete!

  17. crappy said

    so obvious author is bullshitting. Which thrash country u from bullshit? Many times i have seen foreign thrash talk more than they work. Do abit work cry mother cry father. FOREIGN THRASH!

  18. Dogmeat said

    Looks like you are going to bed with foreigners. I’m ashamed of you, unpatriotic Singaporean. You spread half truths when our country is overrun by locusts and leeches. You threw away everything that made Singapore successful in the first place, and give it away to dogs so that your “business” can bring you loads of cash. I don’t think you are here to listen to other people’s viewpoint, let’s just say that there’s a special place in hell specially reserved for people who sell their own country’s future.

    • GEN Y said

      ‘I don’t think you are here to listen to other people’s viewpoint.’ i am not taking sides on this but to type this sentence here in your response is a little ironic don’t you think. looking at the way you’re reacting to this article.

  19. Randy said

    Bravo! Spoken like a true-blue PAP old guard!

  20. Jardel said

    Hi Old Guard, you are just as sloppy as the younger generation is. Rather than spending time behind your fucking keyboard writing this stupid letter, why don’t you think about why had all FTs come flooding into singapore. Are the FTs really that better than the younger singaporeans? Since you claimed that local quality suck like shit, is your company full of FTs doing any better? Remember working in the office for 12hrs does not mean that the efficiency of your company will improve. Staring at one computer for 12hrs is another way of working. I’m certain you have FT like that as well.

    So, why are there so many FTs in singapore? Is it really because of the suckish local quality? Or due to the open legs poilicy of pap? If you think the former then I guess your kids are equally fucked as well. Good luck to them and if you have a daughter perhaps she has sell herself to gain the monetary lavishes that she so much enjoy from your managerial position.

    Since you are in managerial position, perhaps its time your employer think that it’s time to fire you and hire any FT who is cheaper and is able to work 24/7.

    Then, you can find a taxi job and improve the quality there. Yeah? GO FUCK YOURSELF.

  21. FTMIW said

    KNN, i really feel like slapping this OLD GUARD upside down!! he is obviously a pro-PAP supporter! I am also a HR manager! my priority has always been to give a fellow singaporean a chance. call yourself a singaporean! pui! u might as well migrate to Thailand or Philippines!!

  22. Law said

    wow, middle age man speaking shits after achiving in his Era.
    Whoever u r, come to Current era & see what you can start business with after everything has been taken up.
    Fold up ur business first then we tok.
    U precisely dunno what is going on.

    tok much does not mean u r Mr Know It All.

    U R just another Cheap Follower on the route to Rich.

    It is people like you that make the People iritate by your moves.

  23. i5htar said

    Hello OLD GUARD…””NOT”” all Singaporean(young or old) are arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship!!! There are “”STILL”” a lot of good and hardworking Singaporeans…I sometime must admit that some FT are really good in their works and respect their talents…And there are some FT are here to “show off” their talents or bully local Singaporeans in the office…

    As in managerial position you should at least make those “”bunch of pulpy strawberries”” to “”WAKE UP”” !!!

  24. Singapuraboi said

    In a lot of ways I agree with u. But then the behavior of Singaporean workers become the national work culture. All this is a vicious cycle. Bad karma begats bad karma. And instead of learning from this bad karma we perpetuate it. It should be a top down change and not a down up change. If cant and won’t make changes, then just accept it as the national work culture. The govt and managers like u have started this bad karma and now r indignant? Ur attitude is hiring foreigners is just exacerbating the problem and worse u now spread ur karma to other nationals. Take maid abuse for example. Bad bosses get the just desserts. Do u think the young girls come to Singapore with the premeditated notion to kill or poison their masters. Think again, boy. What this has done is proved to many countries is that Singaporean bosses and managers are nothing more than oppressive monsters.

    I remember growing and looking forward to my parents coming home at 6:30pm everyday and I would potter around the house with my mum or help my dad out in the garden. When it came my time to work, I never reached home until 8:30pm. I studied and work in America where we All get to work early and I mean early. I’d get up and go jogging and then go to work. Then we really work until 5 or 5:30pm. And we’d go home.

    But when I came back and brought back the same work culture, my boss expects me to work until 8. He even once told me I am disrespectful that I should leave office before the boss. And u bloody bosses and managers come in late around 10:30 and of course will stay late. The executives are expected to come early and stay later than you. What snotty rubbish is that?! Even when I told him I have finished my work and gave him a list of the things I had done in a day which is more than my colleagues, my boss simply said I was under work and proceeded to give me even more work outside my scope. So why do you think Singapore workers are time killers? If u have to answer that, u r a fool.

    Besides U r just as bigoted when u blame all the bad manners of Singaporeans on the maid. If this is the western world ur comment would have got u lynched and fired. That is a bad handed slap which U arrogant managerial poops don’t understand. U think ur position allows u to condescend on ur staff. This is just bad karma going around and u should reflect on ur oppressive demands and not pass the blame to the Singaporeans u deem are beneath your professional status and once again u assumed that all Singaporeans are not of ur ilk and wrote with the attitude that we are all executives.

    I once had a boss who was very compassionate and refused to let us work late and won’t begrudged us if we came in late. All she said was “u guys r adults, u must have a good excuse for coming late. Just make sure u finish what u have to do.” the entire staff seldom went out for lunch. We all ate at our desk and finished work and even willing stayed late if we had to or even stayed to accompany her. Unfortunately, she was asked to leave due to politics as other managers complained about her lax attitude to her staff. She had the lowest staff turnover in the company n the highest job satisfaction among her staff. When she left we all tendered. Obviously, u know u failed as a manager when ur staff don’t do all these things willingly for you. If I were u, I’d be too ashamed to air my dirty linens here as u just did. No one would roll out of bed to penalize their company and bosses if the bosses were decent.

    • SGworkculture sucks said

      Finally, someone with a lot of sense about the working culture in Singapore I’ve worked in USA for 2 years. Supervisors there EXPECTS you to work hard, I mean really hard, during your stipulated office hours, we don’t take long lunches, long gossips session (this is heavily frown on) and then everyone just goes home on the dot. They believe very much in work, social and family balance. In Singapore, you see lots of people staying late, but really, how many of them are actually working? When managers sees you leave on the dot, they see you as lazy and unproductive. It is such a deeply ingrain concept in Singapore working culture. Long hours in office = productive/hardworking fellow. Not to mention the absurd long lunches, tea breaks, smoking breaks and what got you thrown in between your 8 hours work day.

    • Pissed said

      Well said, *clap clap clap* Bravo

    • Steve Lee said

      @Singapuraboio and SGworkculture. Absolutely true. Yes indeed.

    • Cho_Hakkai said

      I agree with what you said about the top level people.

      I’m a Malaysian.

      I previously work as management trainee for 2 year in a SME company and it is called “Executive Officer”. My pay is S$1,400 basic with S$200 for transportation as a degree holder.

      I work 6 days weeks and one day work more than 12 hours. In January alone, I had work until 1.00am also.

      All my work consist of being a promoter, merchandiser, stock taker and sales rep. The work is also a 2 years contract work. I do not have OT and commission at all. When I ask my manager, he said that I’m a degree holder and not a O level or SPM level holder. So no OT. I also do not have a copy of the contract as he said that it is the company policy that forbid me to have a copy of contract.

      If I work less than 2 years, I need to give 2 months of notice and compensation depend on how much they train me. Hence, if I work 1 year, I need to pay them back 1 year of my salary. After 2 years, I need to give 3 months notice and within 5 years after I had leave the job, I am not permitted to work in the same industry. If they found out, I need to pay them 10 times my salary for the loses they incur because I work in the same industry.

      During the 2 years that I work, I do not receive any confirmation letter than I had complete the training. My pay is always delay within the 7 days after the day that I started work.

      Most of the Singaporean that come into this company do not last long at all. Most of them just work for one week to within one months only. Due to that, there are a lot of foreigner working in the company with contact such as me.

      The China workers had it worst. Their passport is also being kept by the company and every month, their pay is being deducted by S100 as a deposit so that they do not run away.

      This is also a SME family business.

      Not all SME are bad.

      The second job I get is Sales Coordinator job. The pay for probation is S$1450. It also do not tied us down with contract at all.

      This company is a 5 days weeks job and the working time is fix from 8.30 am to 6.00pm. Usually, people just add in extra 10 to 15 minutes.

      This company also provide lunch and tea time free for the workers

      Everyone is very happy working in this company.

  25. Disgusted said

    You are a “汉奸”, traitor. Like Qin Hui who betrayed Yue Fei or those ppl who colloborated with the Japanese during WWII. You generalise that many Singaporeans are like that. Is your sample size big enough? I rather we do not have such a high economic growth then having tensions and rising standards of living

  26. New Guard said

    I’m deeply sadden by the remarks displayed by this Old Guard, obviously the exposure towards the new-gen Singaporean has been a very bad experience to him/her.

    This old guard has touch on too much issues but i would like to zoom into only 2 keys issues.

    1) “But given a choice between a local and a foreigner, I would hire the foreigner anytime.”

    – If as a Singaporean, for you to type such a remark in a high traffic website; You have FAILED as a Singaporean to protect our dignity and future.

    – it is true that foreigners are more aggressive but culture for culture, background for background, we are born a Singaporean and we are ‘force’ to carry out our lives in Singapore; These foreigners coming to Singapore to work, who knows what sort of sacrifices they made before coming over to Singapore to work? Mortgage their land/houses for money? Paying or owning agents whole lots of money to agents? The key point i want to point out is that you have to recognize that these foreigners has everything to lose if they lose their job in Singapore. (and to be in this situation, it is a very strong purpose)

    – I believe in capabilities between a foreigner and a Singaporean, we are all the same; the only difference is in the PURPOSE.

    Note* Most of your remarks targets young Singaporean who most probably has only a few years experience under their belt, as a management executive myself, I believe that to judge a leader, look at the followers. Which in your case, an utter failure. (I hope that you look into your mentoring skills and development skill with regards to subordinates) ### it is true that in the old days, if you do not know how to swim, you will be pushed into the swimming pool and force it out upon yourself; but remember, the old days people climb trees and walk barefooted, these days people use the computer and dress well, if you push a person who does not swim into a pool, he will definitely drown.

    Tip* Dont use the Old Guard (in which i believe is your only way) way in teaching/mentoring New Guards, be creative and learn at the same time while looking into different ways of leading / managing.

    2) “This is fast becoming a thing of the past, only a page of history to be confined to the deep recesses of the memory. If the nation were to rely solely on you guys to support the economy, the country will be in deep shit.”

    – The world does not revolves around the Red-Dot, every single human being is getting more educations around the world, countries getting develop, people getting more exposure.

    – Do you think by sticking to a plan which was though up 40 years ago which worked extremely well will work today? look at manufacturing? although we has lost most of the edge to China/Taiwan/India we are still strong in the R&D / Medical. look at construction? we are developing new techniques / ways of construction, do have a look around. We are changing, so must YOU.

    ———————————-

    If you ask me, the problem is not us. The problem is you.

    You dont give any chance for us to try, to learn, to become better then you.

    Like it or not, we are here to stay (this is our home too). I hope you look into what I have type and have deep thoughts about it.

    Majulah Singapura

  27. RealityCheck said

    i cannot help but agree with Old Guard’s view.

    The younger generation of Singaporeans are not realistic in their expectations as they embark on their career straight out from tertiary studies, having been instilled with “wild” images of the working conditions and payscale in Singapore. In reality, you do not expect high salary just because your school tells you that getting into the courses automatically qualifies you for the benefits. This is a ill mindset. When the reality hits them, they sulk. Believe me, its all about knowing your place and working hard. During my time, advancing means sacrificing time, putting in the hard work and rest little. Our forefathers did it this way, we did it the same but unfortunately the generation these days do not.

    RealityCheck

  28. Auditor General said

    If what you say is true, how did our youngsters end up like this? They were brought up by YOUR generation, Old Guard. Your generation are the employers, your generation are the politicians and your generation are the parents. So whose fault is it that things have turned out this way?

    • SoFDMC said

      Very good point there. People like Old guard need to realize that the current conditions of wealth that allows our generation to have computer games is the product of THEIR generation of hard work, and realize that their generation also had its own weaknesses.

      For example a son likes to play computer games a lot. The father always go around telling him and telling others to feed his ego that computer games are evil and time wasting and unproductive etc. But then every evening the father watches violent cop shows and soccer games like the Eurocup which also isn’t productive and serves as entertainment. Pot calling Kettle black much?

      It is a different universe for our generation. The challenges do exist, but the challenges now differ with a more connected world, devaluing currencies and therefore weaker buying power for our salaries, more expensive to have a flat, marry and have kids, etc etc. Merely working hard isn’t enough. Our generation as kids in the eighties and nineties grew up hearing stories of ‘work hard and you will succeed’, but most of us have realized by now that working hard is not enough.

      The tertiary education system also doesn’t tell fresh graduates about people like Old Guard. Fresh graduates go out into the working world and get ‘eaten’ by older colleagues who know the system in and out and see these fresh graduates as a threat to their future promotions and increased salaries. Thanks to people like Old Guard its a raw deal for new employees.

  29. Steve said

    Strongly disagree with the writer’s, you are basign on few minority for your own judgement, I am in same position with you, and the younger generation that I have employ, possess none of the quality you have mentioned in yours. However many many many young generation of Singapore are hardworkign and responsible, they have big ambitions, only if there are correctly guided by their mentor, such as us. If you have staff like what you mentioned, you are not a good leader and believe your company such consider to replace you to a FT.

  30. Piratetoon said

    As a manager you should not generalize all Singaporean youngster as arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship. There are always some black sheep in any society. A sweeping statement of this is uncessary call for. Not all foreigner are Angels also. One must give a balance view. Think this is your own perception.

  31. 30+ Singaporean said

    Perhaps the writer should tell us which countries these amazing foreigners are coming from? Tell me these countries do not have their share of lazy and incompetent workers with bad attitudes. No having such people in any workforce is the norm and these people usually languish and low-end jobs most their life. The foreigners he sees are those that genuinly want to improve their lot in life and have taken the plunge to go overseas and do it. Just like many Singaporeans with the same fire do the same and leave our shores in droves every year. However Singaporeans going to Australia, US, Canada, New Zealand, Europe face environments where locals are given priority over themselves. Unlike in Singapore where it is the other way around.

    The writer also forgets the other local only jobs, basically the military and the MPs\ministers. On that level I agree our local workers are lazy and incompetent with really bad levels of service and expect to be paid millions for doing nothing.

    Fact remains that we now have huge enclaves in Singapore where foreigners support their own kind to the detriment of Singaporeans. Older workers with families to support lose out to fresh, hungry workers from the poorest parts of the world with questionable qualification. Crime, corruption, prostitution at highest levels is on the rise and the foreign influence is clear in many of these cases.

    We have many broken families caused by predatory habits of young foreign women, or the migratory foreign fathers who run after leaving local women with young children.

    These sir are problems that exist in every soceity but only we Singapore excel in importing them.

    • Andy Kor said

      Let me share my friend’s personal experience: she was with RWS and it is part of the agreement that jobs are to be offered to locals 1st. When they start to offer the jobs to locals, most rejected the offers and in the end, they have to hire FTs. I remembered the offer was like $1.8k for fresh from school with requirements of 4 ‘O’ Level passes or NTC2. If they clock more than 38 hrs/week it is considered OT after that. I am not sure of the current ‘market’ rate but I think it is quite a good offer.

      Personally, I think the cause of broken families is not the predatory young foreign women. I am married twice and the failure of my 1st marriage involves a predatory local man. After some years then I realise that the failure of a marriage cannot be solely 1 party’s fault. It is always the outcome of the relationship which is not handled ‘properly’ by both parties. Don’t blame it on the 3rd party, the 3rd party is just a catalyst, or excuse.

      Lastly, US and Europe’s economy is dying. Reason? Go think about it.

    • G M said

      Well-said!

  32. Zep said

    LOL! wahahahaha… What are babbling about? You got kids? Your kids will suffer too because they are Singaporean you bloody dope. And I bet you are just one blue colar worker pretend to be a Managerial Post. Get a life bugger!

    • Zep said

      LOL! wahahahaha… What are you babbling about? You got kids? Your kids will suffer too because they are Singaporean you bloody dope. And I bet you are just one blue collar worker pretend to be in a Managerial Post. Get a life bugger!

  33. kaypoh said

    You bring up many good points… some of which I have seen for myself.

    Only 1 point I disagree : “There is one job reserved exclusively for citizens in Singapore….and that is taxi driving.”

    Also MPs….highly paid MPs.

    • Pang said

      Are you sure highly paid MPs are Singaporean
      Example….
      Our MND, Mr cow is a Malaysian.
      Kindly do your homework

  34. Yogi In Nun Dae said

    Haha! This is rather true, though I very much agree with you, may I know whether you are single or married with children? Cause indirectly you are also scolding your own descendent!

  35. Friend said

    Dear Old Guard,

    I totally agreed with you for only 50% cos the way our kids are today…. who should we point the fingers at… yes u’re right… 50% is the parents…. Like the saying goes… (my translation fm Chinese Idiom) – give birth & don’t educate them, is the father’s fault…

    the other 50% is the government….. why the government …. LOTS of our so called policies are wrong cos they create more problems than providing the solution for the problem they intended to resolve..

  36. Phillip Quek said

    Singaporean Old Guard,

    I am a 2nd generation singaporean having completed my NS some 40 years ago, even my son had already completed his some years ago.

    You sounded like a PAP old guard giving out a “war cry or teaching lesson” to all singaporean youngters, thus generally giving a sweeping statement and painting a “bad or negative picture” of our younger singaporeans. When you comment on people generally, you tend to use direct speech “you” instead of “some or many younger singaporeans….”.

    I tend to agree with you on some points on our younger singapore generations but that should not give you the right to generalise all our younger singapore generations are what you see in your organisation. In any organisation, companies, country or even countries, there always some “bad eggs in the basket” which I have accepted it over the years as we grow older, experience it working in some foreign countries not only just a tourist to many countries.

    2G Singaporean

  37. A resident said

    Though I do agree with you on most points, the taxi service in Singapore is fine as far as mannerisms and attitude goes, thank you very much. These days I worry more about getting into traffic accidents at Rocher Road than getting driven to some forsaken ulu spot and mugged.

    And this topic is going to explode in epic ways.

  38. kong kong said

    You will choose foreigners cause you think Singaporean not suitable especially the young ones but why my wife over 40 looking for a decent account asistant job but always get rejected the reason? They want someone junior it is so different from your point of view and the employer will tell MOM that nobody wants the job so they can employ cheap foreigners for the job. You think only the young ones in Singapore are arrogant and lazy? To think that you are holding a management position your eyesight is short nowadays youngster in every countries are the same very self center

  39. Victor said

    I wonder if this OLD Guard had really looked deep into the cause of all those ‘problems with Singaporean workers’? Ever just pause and think deeper what causes all these?

    Maybe my 2 cents worth observation may set you to think deeper.

    Firstly, let’s address the term ‘Foreign Talents’. Seriously, do you really think that all those foreign workers in Singapore are talents? Does the 1 to 2 million positions opened to them really require special skill sets that Singaporeans do not possess? If the answer is yes, then the government failed badly in our education. They had not provided Singaporeans with the necessary skills or knowledge during their school years to enhance their employability. If the answer is no, why are there so many of them in Singapore?

    That brings us back to the crux of the issues you’ve mentioned about sloppyness of Singaporean young employees. The basic logic is simple. Every Singaporean worker, from the cleaning lady to top management positions are constantly under threats of being replaced by cheaper foreigners. There’s no longer any loyalty to talk about nor welfare or job security. And this works both ways for the employers and employees. If your wage is artifically depressed, and u face constant threats of being replaced by cheaper foreigners and there’s totally no job security and loyalty from your employers, would you want to work like our previous generation do? Would you really give your best? I doubt so.

    The only solution is to give back what is rightfully ours back to Singaporeans. I am not asking the government to send back all the foreigners. Bring them in if they are real talents or possess skills or knowledge which Singaporeans do not have. Of course, there are certain jobs which Singaporeans shy away from, by all means, let them fill those positions.

    Because of our government pro-business policies, businesses and employers are so used to the higher profits by employing foreigners and had totally taken it for granted. The government had taken us too deep in this issue and it had become almost ‘impossible’ to reverse the trend. However, for the sake of Singaporeans, our next generation, we make take firm actions to correct it now. The government should start looking into welfare of the ordinary Singaporeans instead of just the GDP.

    I strongly believe that the Singaporean workers still posses the same honest, tough, resilient, conscientious, hardworking traits and all these will be exhibited if Singaporeans are treated fairly and given back what is rightfully ours.

    Anyway, it is people like you, at the managerial levels who harbours such ill thoughts without fully understanding the roots of the issue and diving into your perceived conclusions who makes matters worst for our fellow Singaporeans.

  40. SINYoobi said

    The writer is definitely a supporter of the government immigration policy. Please think through before you write so negatively about Singaporeans. Being educated does not mean you have the right to condemn others. Things happen or change for a reason or for various reasons.

  41. Wolfglare said

    Only one word on your comment “traitor” u are juz like those PAP dogs and don’t deserve to be a Singapore….should be taken out and shot like the dog u are…( What do u think )

  42. justin said

    First, Your argument is bias. The above ‘bad’ habits or qualities you have mentioned, i believe does not only pertains to Singaporeans, and let alone youngster amongst the population. I believe, and i know you probably also know inside, that no matter foreigners or locals, Singaporeans or people from other nationalities, last, youngsters or other age groups, there are bound to some who exhibit those ‘bad’ habits you have mentioned. So why only mention the few? That is discrimination.

    Next, we are living in an era surrounded by advanced technology and social media is the biggest platform for connecting people all over together. Let’s not say that if you are a businessman or someone dealing with business, making sales,being connected to the social media like Twitter or Facebook is important because there is where majority of your customers or customers-to-be resides, so shouldn’t you be embracing and welcoming it, since you are doing business, wanting sales.
    The point is, it is inevitable to see people/employees tuning into Facebook or twitter. It has already been part of us, and how can you not? And to point out the flaw in it,tuning into Twitter or Facebook does not mean that the employees aren’t working as hard. Using technical jargon, there is no positive or negative co-relation between tuning into Facebook or Twitter and their work performance. In fact, research shows that tuning in to social media does help in work performance.

    Last, it is pretty unfair to simply list those examples like taking abundant medical leaves and leaving early and coming late as bad qualities. Seriously, what smart employers want is the results and many judged the value of their work performance by the results they present on the table (e.g: how many deals closed and all), so as long as the employee can get results wanted, even if he leaves early or come in late or even talks more than he is seen working, my prediction will be most employers will be fine and willing to tolerate their ‘bad’ habits. Rather than having someone who obeys and abides all the rules, coming in at 8am and worked till late, but never produce anything results. Many would choose the former. Hence, it is misleading to causally label those examples as bad habits. And, medical leaves, isn’t that what employees are entitled?

    In conclusion, the argument is bias, but through that, readers know you took your stand. As much as we respect you, likewise, give other, especially SIngaporean Youngsters the benefit of doubt.

    Thanks. I felt i am writing an GRE essay…-__- ha!

  43. icefire said

    a PAPaya pet barking trying to bootlick for reward ? company n manager is hiring F trash obviously to cut cost … reflect better in the P/L so the so call manager like u can have fat bonus … these manager enjoy the big bonus no the expense of the locals …. if the youngster forget wat is hardship, then u must have forget what is nation pride and wat is shame

  44. oute said

    Right, and the first person you should point at is the leaders of this so “called country.”

  45. tsk..tsk.. said

    let’s see how these rude racist and ft haters comment on this.

  46. wea said

    Old Guard, a slave himself only know how to deal with FT Slaves. With the current new technology and still progressing, every human beings in this world are being replaced. It is the Rich who owned 99% of all resources are not willing to share. Why works so hard, the smart youth can just slaughter the fat cow. The not so bright can become slave.

    • RealityCheck said

      On the contrary Wea. If i have a choice, i will rather employ a singaporean who has lower education and hungry enough to make it in life. They know fully well they started with disadvantages and will work hard to achieve the same compared to a “more educated” candidate. I like fighters not waiters, and i can understand what Old Guard is trying to say.

      RealityCheck

      • Aslam said

        Salute…True Singaporean here. Pls support us true Singaporean who truely need the chance to prove our hunger to succeed.

  47. tsk..tsk.. said

    let’s see how these rude racist and ft haters will comment on this.

  48. icefire said

    btw u think those agency applying permit to bring those thrash to SG is behaving on goodwill or for profit ?
    i really hope u get retrench n see if u will have the same anti FT feeling when u need to fight with them for work to earn a living and everyday squeeze with them in the public transport
    when u have to work with them at the lower level then u will know who is lazy … youngster dont act hardworking in font of boss because they understand that there is no fairness in our country … PAPaya and the rich will only pay attention to their fat wallet …

  49. new guard said

    Hope you can remain in your managerial position till your retirement, if not you can also consider to join the exclusive job for s’pore citizens – taxi driving. Please do not forget that the planet earth is round – what goes around comes around.
    Why no escaping? Can escape by migrating?
    S’pore has no hope and no future with pap and people like you from 60.1%.

  50. KP said

    Not true for most part.

  51. alex said

    This guy is pathetic and idiotic…what u say is pure nonsense.I dont want to waste my comments to u unless u can proof to me u a real Singaporean not a fake one. You blast Singaporean for yr own sake which is basically not true.If u a real Singaporean means u a traitor to yr own people.

  52. Anon said

    Clap! Clap! Clap! but there are 2 sides to a story and this is one side of it but not all young Singaporeans are as bad as you say. But i do encountered too many of them that i sometimes think the same way as you do. Alas there are foreign talents too who are as guilty.

  53. Ray said

    swee lah.. wait till u’re retrenched and have to fight for job openings with the same foreigners you helped bring into this country. what goes around, comes around.

  54. Bleep said

    Overt generalisation. I thought managers were supposed to have better perceptual and conceptual skills. Managers are charged with controlling and motivating their employees. Don’t start pointing fingers without evaluating your own performance and capabilities.

  55. Paul said

    1) “Singaporean youngsters are arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship”.
    Isn’t this type of sweeping statement similar to ” all FTs are Foreign Trashes”. If you are not happy with the ‘bigotry’ displayed, then why are you still making such a comment condemning Singaporean youngsters?

    2) “There was a time when Singaporeans were known as honest, tough, resilient, conscientious, hardworking people”.
    May I ask, how is the current PAP government compared to YOUR times. How many of the “old guards” who brought Singapore from 3rd world to 1st still in parliament? Does it mean all the young MP are dishonest, weak, lazy people.

    3) “If you had been reading the papers, which I doubt many of you have, businesses in Singapore feeling the pinch from the recent changes in labor import policies”
    And you know the number of companies who hired “phantom workers” just so they can hired foreign workers? What you saw in the papers regarding about MOM arresting those companies, are just tips of the iceberg. How many companies employ FT as EP (no quota for EP), S pass but pay less than the required amount stipulated by MOM? Once again, only a few cases appear in papers but a lot more exist without you knowing

    4) “If you don’t tell your kids they are stupid when they do stupid things, they will grow up not knowing what stupid is. And they will do stupid things.”
    If we do not tell the PAP they are stupid when they do stupid things,they will continue to think they are so smart and give themselves pay rises again!. And they will do stupid things again and again. kid can make mistakes so do the old man. Does it mean old man make mistake, no one can/dare to point out?

    5) “There is one job reserved exclusively for citizens in Singapore….….and that is taxi driving. What do you think of the level of service of taxi drivers in Singapore? ”
    Remind me of certain minister who keep saying “What do you think” to a bunch of youngster… What is you impression of taxi driver? Another blanket statement condemning taxi driver again? Think of the taxi driver who got killed by a ferrai. Think of those who got beaten up for no reasons. Think of those who got robbed and injured? Think of those who met passengers who dun pay fares? What do you THINK the level of service a taxi driver should have. They are not earning millions, you know?

    There are black sheeps among all trades and yet you are saying the same type of sweeping statement. This is indeed the pot calling the kettle black.

  56. Raymond said

    Dear Old Guard,

    From the comments you had stated, it appears to me that you are an arrogant and egoistic person yourself. You believe that you are a rank higher than the rest of the true blue Singaporean and that true blue Singaporean are nothing but pest to you.

    You mentioned that Singapore youngsters (that include your children if you have any at all) have many undesired qualities. Let me tell you this – NOT ALL Singapore youngsters are like what you mentioned in your post!!! You are so myopic that you only see things that you wanted to see.

    You mentioned that you will choose to hire a foreigner rather than a Singaporean based on your bigotry ideology. It is the type of person that you are that are creating this ‘war cry’ among Singaporean!

    If you had experienced the negative effects of employing Singapore youngsters, that just show that you are incompetent in hiring Singaporean who are honest, tough, resilient, conscientious and hardworking.

    You mentioned honesty but you don’t even dare to post your name.

    You said that taxi driving is reserved for citizens in Singapore… are you not Singapore citizen? If you are, shouldn’t you be driving a taxi now? You should walk the talk, Old Guard!! There are some taxi drivers that have exemplary high service standards!!

    You have obviously been living in a world where there is no one but yourself. One thing that I believe in is Karma and I do hope it comes fast for you Old Guard.

    • seah said

      how come you are so so so STUPID.this is spore;do you invite other to stay in your house and kick out all your family member.If sporean is lazy will we able to reach this standard which everybody want to work here.you are replacing us because they are cheaper and on work permit easy to bully.god bless you dont lose your jod or else FT will replace you

  57. Compatriot said

    A citizen of a country is a stakeholder of the country

    This shit hole is not a Singaporean Any far and fair sited Singaporean will hire a Singaporean for the work to be done because a citizen is a stakeholder of the country and will fight to defend without fear at all costs when Singapore is at war,civil or otherwise

    The non citizen of foreigner,these misfits will keep their hands down and run away and betray Singaporeans and eventually bite the hands that fed their mouths

    History evidently has foretold,

  58. sweetbean said

    If all your experience with all your Singaporean staff is so bad …. maybe you need to look at your hiring process. Seriously, it’s too big of a statement to say we are ALL like that. I had a boss who was not great at his job but he had a unique ability to select excellent candidates and the attrition rate was negligible in the company. Don’t always look outwardly to blame but at how you hire, train and manage your staff. That is what makes a great manager. Managers who complain, in my experience are the ones with very poor “managerial” ability. It is your job to motivate and inspire them – not just bitch and moan which is what you are accusing your employees of doing. Any wonder they take the same attitude. You will find company attitude comes from the TOP DOWN not from bottom up! Cheers!

  59. Hykel Quek said

    Why make such a sweeping statement. I do agree that certain youngsters appear weak and do not take pride in their work but they make come from a hard background or face financial problems.

    Foreigners are indeed more hardworking and obedient but don’t be quick to judge. There are still students who are of the writer’s perception of Singaporean.

  60. Shawn said

    Good managers create leaders not dumbass followers.That’s why those who worked under U got frustrated and left.I think you’re the problem.Btw,with this attitude, I think U will make a lousy taxi driver,too.

    • SoFDMC said

      LOL well said. Probably one of those 60 year old managers only know how to go around raising his voice and ask stupid questions that are not related to the job scope and is a total failure at life!

  61. haha said

    Quick question for you old guard, will you betray your own countrymen for the sake of cutting productivity costs? Everyone has their strengths i believe as a manager you have failed to bring that out from your employees, thats why you’re always facing this problem. If 1 person under you is like that you may say it’s their problem but if 10 people are under you is like that, i say you have failed as a manager. Stop pushing the blame to the younger generation when it’s you who have no ability to lead them.

  62. zen said

    “You are not speical…. You’ve been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble-wrapped . . . You’ve been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. Yes, you have.”

  63. polykick said

    sometime in my life, i was a poly lecturer. I echo the authors views exactly. thats why top students are foreigners.

  64. hachoo said

    Some of you may have heard this before but I want to reinforce the essence behind these comments. In the market place, in general, they say;

    Want to start up a new business, hire a Hong Kong person – Enterprising
    Want to have break through in your business, hire a Taiwanese – An eye for business opportunies
    Want to hold steady your business, hire a Sinaporean – Hardworking and stay clear of trouble.

    To each it’s own. But lets not let this divert the attention to the urgent issues on hand.

  65. ZooL said

    well anyway, i have read the article , like finally..and i found the writer a bit shallow… here goes; i run my own company too and i somewhat agree at some point about hiring foreigners. however! amongst the journey of entrepreneurship, that i have experienced over the years; i have met many self driven, self motivated and bright young capable men and women. yes there are still many of these people around. yet there are not known publicly. they are usually of course already a leader of their own packs. eg business man, young directors, etc. u cant expect leaders to lead a pack of leaders in your team. that will be a total chaos. his job as a managerial position is to manage and differentiate his own team capabilities. not to sit down and shake leg. my line of managers are sometimes i would like to call them a bunch of daddy’s and their team are of course their workers as children’s. if daddy is lazy and unmotivated, children will follow too. of course, i love to be a manager and if many of my workers are leaders and hardworking , i don’t even have to shed a sweat and my daily work load wudn’t be a chore! in this case , why would i hire a manager? i shud sack the manager and leave my hard working team to run the show by themselves. to be a leader, we need followers, yes they have flaws and unimaginative and countless of excuses, but its the employer / manager’s job to turn them into your bright and shiny armour in your forces. make use of their capabilities. its your job to find out. they are not machines they are people with feelings for goodness sake!

  66. Kate Monster from Bukit Timah said

    The old man has nailed it on the head.

    Where I’m from, Singaporeans are known as the world’s laziest, lowest form of life.

    This is evidenced in the occupational field pointed out by the author — cabbies. Hands down the worst, most professional standard of work in this country. Can you really blame the attacks on cabbies of late?

    It was a sad day when the British Administration pulled out. Just like in Zimbabwe, the hard work of the British Empire in building this country has been undone by incompetent natives.

    Remember, you native rabble need us (foreign talent) more than we need you.

    • sweetbean said

      Absolute rubbish!

    • WhatDoYouThink? said

      With a post like this and a colonist attitude to match, you sure know how to be a gracious guest in your host country.

    • New Guard said

      The old man should have a nail in his head; you need 2 nails.

      Where I’m from, Singaporeans are known as the world’s laziest, lowest form of life. >>>> where are you from? from this comment and by you visiting this site and leaving such a comment, it really shows your intelligence / E.Q. level is way lower then national / global / galaxy standards.

      you claim that evidenced of our laziness can be pin-pointed to our cab drivers, have you been in one lately? have you been so nice to even chat with the driver? or have your intelligence / E.Q. made you a person whole only talks to his/her “kind”?

      go to coffee shop and have a cup of kopi, listen to the uncles, if you think driving a taxi is a lazy job in Singapore, think again. 12hrs shift / Mon-Sun / base rate on taxi / handling all kinds of customers / risk of being cheated

      British Administration? Haha.. how many more countries must the British conquer/colonized before they get the idea that all man are free. It’s the best day that they pulled out. if not maybe i’ll be the person who will be serving you tea. (in that sense, it was fortunate and unfortunate that Japanese conquered us, but it too has free us from slave needy man)

      Remember, you foreigner are here as guest, keep the shit to yourself. It really shows your talent.

      (i’m a foreign talent in another country and i dont go to forums and give shit to people for people to shit back at me)

      Majulah Singapura

    • Marc said

      I can’t wait to show you the door… GET OUT of our country. You are NOT needed here!

    • IronMan said

      Another TRASH talking thrash, eat trash n shit thrash. Not ur country, so shut up n FO. The shit PAPies needs u, FTs, for their own profit, NOT us SG. Get ur facts right.

      Besides, British chickened out to Japs, not the natives in WW2.

    • Tell us said

      What talent you have that we need you?

  67. Blood suckers said

    Aiya. You say u are old guard rite? It all began with you lor. Thats why they say up crooked, down also follow crooked.

    You last time young never play before huh? You last time young never think childish before huh? You last time know everything huh? You last time no work experience also people give you many many chance huh? You last time never young before huh?

    Talk cock one Leh. Since you like to one bamboo knock over one boat. Tit for tat, old fart.

    Now is not like last time. Technology progress, people get more knowledge, the way people perceive things are also different. You think policeman still wear shorts huh. You still think PAP is the opposition huh? You still think foreigners come here to root themselves huh?

    Let me educate you this old fart. I was at a tuition centre. I overhead one group of PRC saying that they are not staying here long, they are force to come. They would prefer America, new York, LA, etc. here is a stepping stone for them only.

    Get this into your bloody thick moronic dog skull. Only PAP will ever believe they’re here to contribute.

  68. Joe said

    And i think this “old guard” has detached himself from reality…….

  69. ah troll said

    i worked many part time jobs from 15 till 25. i have seen every side of foregin and local workers full time or part time. but you sitting in your fucking ivory tower think you know it all? bitch please. i see way more than you do as a lowly part timer. your beloved foreginers are just as lazy, complacent and arrogant if not worse. but they know how to play the political game. they know how to puo your lam pah. stoke your oversized ego. pretend to work. and backstab singaporeans. why? they want to look out for their own and idiot managers like you with your stupid ass bias against singaporeans made us easy targets.

    perhaps it’s time you pull your head out of your ass dumbass manager. the sun does not sine from your ass.

  70. A Singaporean said

    Pls be fair. You are talking about teenager not adult; We are all young once. We all made mistake and change it. A good manager will take time to understand and help. Scolding and reprimand doesn’t help much; they also have pride even when they are young. Will you give up on your child if they made mistake?? Treat them as your child.

    • Blood suckers said

      Agreed. He sounded as if when he is young, he is a saint, never make mistakes. Never play. All work and work.

      BS

  71. I do see a lot of those points you brought up being reflected in a lot of the young employees these days.On the other hand, I see a lot of foreign employees doing the same as well. Your article is too one sided but I understand where you are coming from. There are good Singaporean employees and there are bad ones as well. I can say that you have been unlucky to encounter the bad ones. Maybe there is a problem in your hiring? Try setting the standards higher and you may be lucky to get some good Singaporeans. When interviewing some foreigners, I could see that they job hop every 2 years in their CV and when speaking to them, they didn’t seem to have any intention to be in my company for long. Needless to say, they are not hired. I have met Singaporean interns who are hardworking and do not laze around. I am not sure whether they would change their attitude if they were working for real, but they give me confidence that young Singaporeans do know what is right and wrong and how they should behave at work. Whether or not they actually continue practising it when they start working, just depends on the company’s regulations and bosses.

  72. Limbeh said

    Lim beh is a manager. My staff who is a Filipino keep on playing with Facebook until I had to bar her from touching her phone. I suspect u r not a manager nor u r a Singaporean. U r just someone who’s trying to be funny..

  73. ah troll said

    and how’s this for hardship. me slaving away with the manual labour while most of those foreginers eat snake at some corner you cannot find. many occasions i literally worked till i drop. body gave out and refused to move. and that effect will stay with you for a long time. go educate yourself and google “adrelinal fatigue” and hopefully you can see the full picture through your lao hwa eyes. and who are the people who tried to help me when these things happen? to be fair some good foreginers did. but mostly singaporean aunties and brothers.

    fucking old coot sia this uncle.

  74. Law said

    I am a Singaporean and after reading all the comments and blogs from you bigots, I am ashamed to call you my fellow countrymen. I can only conclude that many of you are bo ka si, never taught any manners by your parents and probably the result of being raised by maids from the countries you so detest.

    **YAP, u shd feel ashame telling the whole wild Cyberspace u R a Traitor of your own Country.

    I work in a managerial position and I hire new staff from time to time. But given a choice between a local and a foreigner, I would hire the foreigner anytime. I have no issues with paying NS increments but let me tell you why I will choose the foreigner.

    **Of cause u got no issue to pay NS Increment, u keep hiring time to time to chop off your fellow netizens to replace cheap ones to show your boss u r capable of COST SAVING Cum Quantity Exchange.

    Singaporean youngsters are arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship. You guys have lost the hunger to succeed. All you care about is fun fun fun. You come to work late and leave early. In between, you get on facebook, tweeter, instant messaging, hold chit chat orgies, take multiple coffee breaks, post racist blogs, or play computer games.

    **Since u said it, Youngster. U only have one Life in your era, since our anceastor hv sacrifice so much in the past, what is it for? Children & Decendents to live better! Quality Lives. I believe ur Dad has made his sacrifice for u. so does everyone else parents. HUNGER? yes for you, not everyone else, many prefer to live quality, not Ego. If u dun like employees to logon to chatrooms etc, u can just ask IT to Restrict, is that so hard for a Manager like u? or are u fake? basic knowledge !

    • Law said

      You go on medical leave wantonly, which seem to miraculously coincide with days just before and after long weekends or after a big early morning soccer match on tv. Some of you AWOL altogether, sometimes for days on end. You are sloppy in your work and demand such low quality of yourselves. You have a short memory and either cannot understand simple instructions or pretend not to be able to. When reprimanded for your sloppiness or mistake, you either cry, argue back or quit the job. You guys are just a bunch of pulpy strawberries. I am sure many middle aged Singaporean managers will agree with me on this.

      **What is Entitlement? Manager… Might as well dun give?

      There was a time when Singaporeans were known as honest, tough, resilient, conscientious, hardworking people. This is fast becoming a thing of the past, only a page of history to be confined to the deep recesses of the memory. If the nation were to rely solely on you guys to support the economy, the country will be in deep shit.
      If you had been reading the papers, which I doubt many of you have, businesses in Singapore feeling the pinch from the recent changes in labor import policies. You guys are probably feeling very smug and happy that foreign talents and workers are being punished. If you think foreigners are being punished, you are just being shallow. If the economy suffers, you will suffer. There is no escaping.

      **yes, there was such time, thats y we are proud of our “History” when we r being betrayed by people like u, u think we will lay our life for u? dun play monopoly. your era has gone, this era onwards is more on Quality lives & not slaves to people like u sitting on top getting credits.

      forget it, cun b bothered by people like u. u dun like your own country people, just migrate out, i garuntee u wun be miss by majority!
      we will b happy to loss a traitor like u.

      by the way, i have many FT Frds, which are REAL Talents, its not like u mention whole singapore is against them, dun just blame them like this, its the Rotten apples that pull them into this chapter of our history.
      U speak, u better make sure u employ right talents with right mindset.

      Always remember, God Knows.

  75. 过来人 said

    I do not agree with the author on we Singaporean are arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship.
    The Z generation give people this impression be it SG, MY, PH, CN, TW, TH or European.
    This is globalisation and it is a behaviour of younger generation.

    And then the author never mention about which industrial or field of job he is employing.
    PMET job should be offer to Singaporeans first but we all can see it is being taken up by FTs.

    I am sad for his/her children.

  76. sanzo said

    Be careful when you post as you whine as much as you would deem Singaporeans to be.
    Be careful when when you shame the young, for your daughters and sons fall under your responsibility to bring them up.
    Be careful when you post as you may one day wonder why a foreigner replaces you.
    Be careful when you type in a way that sounds just like the netizens you would criticize
    Be careful when you shun your responsibility to groom an employee by choosing to take the groomed one.
    Be careful when you throw in the taxi drivers into the picture, as most of them are middle-aged or older. Your target is the young generation isn’t it?
    Be careful when you let emotions fly in your post, which always spells failure for managerial positions.
    Be careful when you troll about, brag and end up contradicting yourself, thinking this manner of aggression will wake where it intends to, when in actual fact it may have just re-sparked the fury on employment policies.

    For your information, I and many others have experience in managerial positions as well, not only you in the world. But you don’t seem to think anywhere as mature as a manager should do so. I am speaking to you, Mr Old Guard.

  77. WhatDoYouThink? said

    Old Guard before you cast the first stone, please question yourself why do you hire foreigners over locals? Is it because they are cheaper and a typical excuse to cut labour cost? Perhaps look at your own company’s HR practice why are you only drawing such Singaporeans? Is it because the pay is peanuts or is your company unattractive to the real talented Singaporeans out there? There’s karma my friend. You too can be here today, and made redundant the next. Have abit of compassion.

  78. boo said

    funny how the responses of this post displays the exact attitude that the author is talking about

  79. Ron said

    Wow. What fireworks. I like to hear the responses from the Singaporeans in their 20s.

    I think young Singaporeans should be more determined to defend their future, to speak up, to galvanise into action. The youths are quite apathetic… NATO… no action talk only. Are they active in politics?. Do they form action groups and campaign for policies to be amended? Where are they? Or are they so brainwashed during NS to accept scolding and instructions and just keep quiet?

    Just participating in blogs as invisible writers is not enough. The future of Spore is yours. If not happy, then rise up and be proactive.

  80. patin said

    I THINK TOU ARE NOT SINGAPOREN
    你肯定不是,,,新加坡人..我們不会像你..放這樣的疪..

  81. kane said

    Dun like dat lah. I have good example Singapore are hard working
    I cite one special case.
    My area all the janitor are singaporean very hard working one, from morning 4.30am till 11am. no joke early morning i can hear the sweeping sound from my flat 16th floor up.
    the best thing is the f#@king assistant is a Banga.KNN everyday ride a stipak bicycle wear nice nice …ride here ride there do nothing except checking on the poor uncle and aunte that are doing all the job.
    I thought it should be the other way round???
    oH maybe the BAnga graduate from BSU ( bangladash Sanitary University) come here as FT to manage our local on how to sweep.

    I am not against or support FT!

    every country there are FT. maybe the garment should control it.and not suka suka Dick Tom or Harry also can come mah
    Also, change this F#@king term FT lah …..toilet cleaner, kopi boy, Galant guni guy also FT. as if singapore all dump or wat dun even know how to do all these work!

    Control lah……but please lah dun say until we are all like dat mah….
    maybe some youngest yes lah……..but dun blame them lah blame on the education ….always want to have good grade and morally down grade leh.

    Paiseh paiseh …tok cock too much.
    dun bombard me orh …i noe studies bery high.

  82. howtowakeup said

    the curry incident is just the beginning.
    civil unrest and riots soon to follow?

    what does it take for the govt to step in? clearly something is wrong if so many ppl are unhappy.

    i have seen so many foreign elements bringing their bad habits here.. spitting, cutting queue. this place is really getting uglier.

  83. Sinka_Poor said

    Helloooo ” Old Guard ” ….. from the responses by other bloggers …… I cannot seem to be sympathetic to you …. mind you,,, and also totally disagree with your personal feeling and generalised opinions about Singaporeans.
    99.9999999 % of replies from fellow bloggers , condemns your views …… I strongly feel the same too …… Please refrain from such unpopular and unproven comments of true blue Singaporeans ………………………………………….. MERDEKA !!!!

  84. Andy Kor said

    The new generation is indeed getting too soft. They quit the job the moment they are not happy on the job, mostly because their boss told them that they made a mistake. However, I also have to agree that not all FTs are hardworking, the quality of the FT also depends on the type of industry and nationality. But think about it, if both are equally lazy, why should a employer pay more for local? Lastly, let’s not forget, Malaysians and Indonesians are FT. There are many of them among us who may have grown up with us but they are still not Singaporean.

  85. George said

    I appllied for the coming September F1 race. If you are 60 years old they are not accepted as security officer. If you are able person .can’t a 60 years old person work. .? The Malaysian are given the job. So why won’t Singaporeans feel angry ?

  86. Jardel said

    79 comments aredi…GOGOGO. Make more hits for TT.

  87. Hey Old Guard. You are the Biggest BIGOT. Not the rest of S’poreans. Why? Let me tell you…..

    You are living in the 60’s – 70’s S’pore. Grow up Dude. Firstly..

    1. Income disparity.
    Income for workers have not gone up with progress to the nation.

    2. No minimum wage.
    The only first world nation without one.

    3. Overtime Culture.
    The only first world nation which still does it.

    4. A Toothless Union.
    Labour Exploitation rampant.

    With all the above mention, how do you think a human being would respond?
    I’m not talking about S’poreans or FTs. Just human being, put in a position we are in?

    Now, to why FTs do well for you.
    For these third world labour, having a “JOB” is their ultimate goal.
    You see, they (FTs) come from a different environment from us.
    And guess what? With the money that they get here, they are able to buy a house within 2years
    in their own home town. Can we (S’poreans) do that?
    Where is the competition? How do you compare?
    Well, I guess you don’t care. What you only care is your bottom line.

    What is lacking in S’pore is Corporate Social responsibility to your country.
    I’m not talking about donating monies to needy. I know you get tax relief on that.
    Which is an incentive for the company. I’m talking of true social responsibly to your country.
    I’m referring the the well being of the nation.

    Now, back to you. You selfish S’porean.
    You and those people above you, your job is to…

    1. Cut cost at all cost in the name of restructuring.

    2. Exploitation. Make one employee do more then one job.
    That is ok if you pay them “Fairly”. Is that happening?

    3. How about your performance bonus? Has it gone up?

    Your bottom line is Greed and more Greed.

    For the rest, our bottom line is play “Fair”.

  88. donald said

    a foreigner trying to disguise himself as citizen and trying to criticise citizens for bad work attitude. fyi, my company only employ “gen-y” citizens and the staff here work very hard 24/7 – because we all want to win the global competition and beat the foreign companies by coming up with our best ideas/products. at the end, we are singapore incorporated (inc.). i think there is something worng with your experience with gen-y singaporean workers. but please don’t generalise us and don’t advocate foreigners are better than us. they come and go – more like fair weather visitors.

  89. Jondemusiq said

    Just some food for thought, the quality of a Person comes not from judging the bad in others, but seeing and bringing out the good in them.

  90. Joey said

    Temasek Times, I used to follow your posts right from the start as there was some QUALITY in it. But now, you are simply posting articles that are not credible at all, what is this Old Guard? No mainstream / online media should post such articles that is not even backed by at least a HUMAN name. You are creating social unrest among Singaporeans as well as between Singaporeans and Foreigners. I urge the readers of this website to stop visiting this place of trash and seek other sources of credible information. There is no reason for TT to publish such an article which simply slams Singaporean youths. The only purpose of this article is to incite civil unrest and ultimately causing riots.

    Mod’s reply:

    Please take note that it was first posted as a comment in one of our articles. TT regularly republished worthwhile / controversial comments from readers to stimulate discussion.

  91. Boon said

    This idiot must been a foreign scum disguising as a Singaporean!

    BTW, taxi drivers are considered much more better than many in the region…try comparing Singapore tai drivers to those from HK, China, India, Malaysia and Philippines, and you will appreciate their service level. So, this azzhole calling himself an “old guard” is definitely a foreign scum and not a true Singaporean!

  92. Mike said

    The points raised by the Old Guard is correct.

    The younger generation are not so responsible and treat work like play.

    They can come to work late and leave early. (They dun feel guilty about it)

    He is just sharing his personal experience and I shared the same experience about the younger generation on their attitude in work.

    They are more interested in fooling around than developing their career.

    It could be because most of them are from well-off family and work is just for fun as they can quit anytime.

  93. solaris8899 said

    are you a real Singaporean? You don’t sound like one of us. Don’t you understand a basket with some rotten eggs?
    I know many of us(Singaporean) r hardworking citizen, not lazy, not arrogant and not cannot take hardship. A foreigner is always a guest here. You think they will be here for you always.
    We know this is our land, our home, we make it a better tomorrow.

  94. Singaporean PMET out of job said

    Mr OLD GUARD

    MAY YOU LOOSE YOU JOB SOON and BAD KARMA BE UPON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so that you would know what is Singaporeans Suffering Under PAP.

  95. WOW! old guard you stirred up the hornets nest. Singapore is a great city state. Yesterday a white Canadian told me that he enjoyed his two year stint in Singapore as an Oil & Gas executive. He was a foreign talent too because no locals could fill that post. When he read TT he was shocked with the current situation ongoing in Singapore on FT. Please cool it down because the whole world is watching. There are lots of Singaporeans here in Canada and can you imagine if the locals pick on them. We live in a competitve global village and we need one another. Canada took in 439,000 immigrants last year because of the low birth rate. We need a population base to support an aging population. Please be constructive in your comments F… words show to the world the moral calibre of the local people. Like I said the world is watching Singapore my beloved city- safe, clean and efficient.

    From the Old School

    • Boon said

      Bad publicity is what we want to generate…so that all these foreign pests. leeches and scums will not come to Singapore!

      For those Singaporeans in Canada, if they get picked on, that’s their problems…they want to leave Singapore for a better living elsewhere, they have to bear the brunt of the locals…it is a fair world.

    • Boon said

      If the world is watching, we will be very glad…because this is what we we want the world to know that foreigners are not welcome to snatch jobs away from Singaporeans! Anyway, who gives a fuck what the world is thinking?

  96. Singaporean in the 20s said

    in workforce for 5 years after Uni, I see my singaporean peers doing pretty well, a gd number of them AVPs/MGRs in financial institutions. Many of them put in gd amount of effort and OT to reach where they are..

    I suppose we r in a different gen, our 3 rm hdb is nearly 350k. There r alot of pressures faced. To engage our generation, just have to give us meaningful job scope with career progression and learning opportunities.

  97. StrawberryGenerationSupervisor said

    I beg to differ with OldGuard’s opinions. I have worked with individuals of my generation who are hard workers. My team of “strawberries” are always the first ones in the office and the last ones to leave.

    Yes, as an employer he may have met with probably a large number of young people in the workforce who are, and I quote him “arrogant, lazy, complacent and cannot take any kind of hardship. You guys have lost the hunger to succeed. All you care about is fun fun fun. You come to work late and leave early. In between, you get on facebook, tweeter, instant messaging, hold chit chat orgies, take multiple coffee breaks, post racist blogs, or play computer games”

    However, his experiences do not represent the whole generation and it is not fair for him to group them all together. Plus, it is not only the young people whom behave like this. There are older adults who do display the exact same behaviors. They are always late in the office and at 5.25PM, they would have their bags packed, ready to rush out of the office exactly at 5.30PM. They take long lunches and they spend more time gossiping in the pantry than finishing their work, instead, they leave the work to lowly paid interns who are there for work experience.

    For myself, I enjoy working with the young people. Many of them have passion, drive and are very hardworking. They are highly skilled in technology and have many innovative and new ideas that many older generation workers will turn up their noses to. But, we employ these young people because they are qualified and have shown that they can work.

    The issues with FT’s are the same. It is not about us criticizing a particular nationality and as an employer, it is not about choosing between an FT or a local, but choosing the best person for the job. We, as employers are not against having an FT taking a job provided they are highly qualified and will definitely be able to do the job better than any other person.

  98. phan said

    I believe that problems created today are due the mismanagement by the government , in the hurry to raise the productivity of singapore and replenish the population, they blatantly opened the floodgates of singapore allowing the influx of foreign talent without thinking of the consequencies. Now that there is a over amount of labour, they try to cut foreign talent to amend their mistakes and appease the public.so as not to loose more seats in the next elections. The younger generation born in the time of peace,tend to enjoy more and are more relaxed as they do not have to face war and are enjoying the benefits of our forefathers . They have better choices, better education and better skills, as such, they are more picky in jobs as the pressure to suceed is engraved theirs when young , so many menial jobs tend to be shunned as it lowers personal reputation and is bad for their resumes. So many choose not to work vin these industries like factory worker or restaurant industry. In the west waitressing is a full time career and many survive on the tips given. As the basic pay is very low. So we cant blame the youths of today for not working in this line. Unless wages are increased. Therefore allowing foreign takent to fillvup these vacancies, as they sincereky work for money.

  99. chelsea said

    Dear Old Guard,

    You speak the words of truth. If the others berate or scold you, so be it. They are merely blinding themselves to the truth to protect their egos. As for me, I am generally disgusted by the crude and immature behavior of these netizens. I don’t know if they realize it, but if they keep this behavior up, netizens will really become the “lowest common denominator” of sg society.

    Alrite. Enough said. No point wasting time. I will NOT visit the TT site ever again.

  100. A New Guard's parent said

    I understand what Old Guard is conveying, ie. from his experience, foreigners have more drive than locals and he therefore prefer to hire the former. This is exactly the same sentiment LKY conveyed some time back too, when he said that the locals lack spurs to succeed.

    I also have no doubt that, in general, when you’re in a faraway land, to earn a living to feed a family back home or to establish yourself by gaining some working experience, you’ll also work your butts off.

    However, Singapore is a country, not a company.

    If Singapore were just a company, then Old Guard’s point is perfectly valid. Heck, I’d say he should go much further — deport the terminally sick and the old from the country, replace them with higher productivy resources. Open the floodgates further to the world, ater all, there’s always a better manager or entrepreneur out there. In fact, if Old Guard were to compete on a barrierless worldwide basis, I’m sure there’s someone better than him out there, who’s possibly cheaper as well and I’m sure he too can be replaced. Just like I can be replaced, or LHL can too. After all, no one is indispensable.

    But Singapore is a country, not a company. To me, that’s the difference.

    There’s a reason why Singapore male citizens are made (yes, made) to serve NS. Its to defend the country. What does that mean? When it comes to the crunch, when Singapore is at the verge and no one is streaming in anymore, it is hoped that the roots will be strong enough that Singaporeans not just stay, but be prepared to give up their lives to defend their country. It is “understood” that all the foreign talents who flocked to the country when good times are rolling will have left, but it is hoped that the locals who call this place a HOME will stay.

    With this in mind, do you now see the difference?

    If there’s any fault with the new generation, then surely part of the blame has to go to the older generation (and society at large) on how they raised the new generation and inbube the right values. If all of the new generation is like Wee Siew Khim’s daughter’s “get out of my elitist face” attitude, then there’s something we need to correct. Not just give up on that generation and say, open the floodgates, let foreigners in.

    Its just like if you have kids. Yes, he’s not the smartest, the most hardworking, the most driven person in his class. Maybe he’s playful too, easily distracted. If Old Guard’s family were a company, he should simply disown such children, sponsor the top student of that cohort.

    To me, that’s what the discontent about foreigners in recent years boils down really to. If this is my home, and the place in which I’m rooted, then why is there no place for me to earn a decent living. Why isn’t the govt “protecting” me, not so much to make life cushy for me, but make it a level playing field? We’re not asking for much, just for the govt to do what other govts do for their citizens (yes, CITIZENS)? Is it all my fault, as the govt alleges; or has some fundamental mistake been made?

  101. Brown Strawberry said

    Old Guard, If what you said were so true, think of what has mold these young people like this…. education? parents? media? society? I don’t know. Go figure out the source of your so call “problem”. Adaptability is what we human are good at, and at your managerial position more so. Maybe it’s time for you to learn about generation gaps and make the best out of this “strawberry generation”, because inevitable they will be in your middle management if you ever reach senior management level.

  102. loo said

    Maybe Mr Old Guard lacks the skills to motivate others. With motivation comes inspiration. With Inspiration comes creativity and generates productivity. I must say, I personally looked at how unhappy the philipino drafter was when she is working for my father. Ok, my dad is not very organised and like and does things the old way. She would suddenly dissaper a week without ample reason and go back to Philipine to celebrate god friday. Thank god, my dad was very understanding to their cultural and religious needs. Then there are those I met in the organisation I am in now which are very hardworking, motivated. By that i mean Singaporeans and foreigner.

    So alot lies with individual to motivate the staff. What ever gold you give to a lousy manager he will turn it into dust. But when Mr Old guard had some gold and some silver, he thought that the silver was great but he could have turned the gold into diamond.I am not a good manager myself, but knowing it is good enough. Not knowing it and blaming it on others is worse.

  103. seah said

    who dont known.on work permit easy to control.and easy to bully and CHEAPER.Pray that the table wont turn on you.Foreigner is CHEAPER.hold tight dont lose your jod

  104. There is some truth to what the author says, but still they are sweeping statements, as I have met young people who are passionate and hardworking. Employees from the developing countries are easily motivated because they come from economies of cheap salaries, unsafe streets and poverty, which were what the older generation of Singaporeans had undergone. Also, even a low salary here is a high motivation for these FTs as they get high purchasing power in their home towns.

    Therefore, the author’s comparisons are futile. We cannot motivate our young people the same ways as in the old days, as they are no longer living in poverty and starvation. Perhaps one of the ways to inspire them is through the arts, to harness the refinement, intuition and sense of responsibility. Work can also be designed to be allow the worker more freedom of expression, more creativity and more sense of accountability.

    I believe there are no bad soldiers, but only bad commanders. That, I perhaps the author may like to do some self reflection.

  105. There is some truth to what the author says, but still they are sweeping statements, as I have met young people who are passionate and hardworking. Employees from the developing countries are easily motivated because they come from economies of cheap salaries, unsafe streets and poverty, which were what the older generation of Singaporeans had undergone. Also, even a low salary here is a high motivation for these FTs as they get high purchasing power in their home towns.

    Therefore, the author’s comparisons are futile. We cannot motivate our young people the same ways as in the old days, as they are no longer living in poverty and starvation. Perhaps one of the ways to inspire them is through the arts, to harness the refinement, intuition and sense of responsibility. Work can also be designed to be allow the worker more freedom of expression, more creativity and more sense of accountability.

    I believe there are no bad soldiers, but only bad commanders. Perhaps the author may also like to do some self reflection.

  106. csm said

    You list all the negative attributes of “youngsters”. So, why are you hiring only youngsters? Are you discriminating against the “honest, tough, resilient, conscientious, hardworking people” whom recruiters like you have consigned to “a page of history to be confined to the deep recesses of the memory”? Are you contributing to the overall unemployment amongst “older” workers in Singapore?

  107. Ma Chi said

    This thread starter is definitely a SME towkay who prefers to pay low salary to get foreigners.I agree on the SG youngsters, but if you pay peanuts, U get monkey lor!

  108. Raymond said

    There re black sheeps in the community, while I agree that in my NS now, I can still see that there are hardworking and resilient people, while there are other who gives up easily or refuse to do anything extra. This spans for all kinds of ranks. So you cannot just generalize, but instead we must sieve out those black sheeps and condemn them. As for me, I will do provided I get the necessary appreciation, if I start complaining and refuse to do anything, it means I have given up on it, but that does not mean I have not worked hard, in fact I have tried so much until I get sick and tired and finally gave up on everything.

  109. Not PRC, NOt Ang Moh And Not SGporean Either. said said

    Post no. 99 – Auspicious entry.

    So, this is all about employment problems in SG? Simple matters over-looked by many indeed.

    Ideally:

    1. As a boss, he wants his workers to be hard-working and dedicated to their job at very least. After all, who does not want to have a no-nonsense productive worker?

    2. As an employee, he wish he could reap the utmost reward for his slightest effort. He hopes for a quick rise in the rank, climb that corporate ladder overnight in a turbo speed and move away from the regular salaried guy. There after he would rub shoulders with the elites and be recognised as a young and successful executive. Not to mention company sponsored holidays abroad, company car and hot looking work mates. All these if possible, within a year of employment, he thought to himself.

    Realistically:

    1. Without a good managerial skills and a sound organisation to back you up, your troops are unlikely to become resilient and will never turn out to be a worker you had wished for (putting luck and extra-terrestrial intervention aside!). Coupled with that low entry level salary that does not match the ever-rising cost of living and entertainments, it just compounded the problems further and worse. When you ultimately failed, you would look for alternatives and the easy escape is usually by hiring FT or FW. (After all, it will be never easy to become a boss). But please do not blame yourself entirely. The challenge today is how to sustain the interests and lift the morales of your SGporean workers. Back to to business 101 – Leadership.

    2. Patience and perseverance is your surest way to your next leap in the corporate ladder. Many 3G SGporeans lack these calibres. They loses steam easily and give up after a short while of trying. Very short sometimes, so much so that they did not realise opportunity is just a few steps away. Try ask those whom have made it half way to the top (if not the top) – how many humble pies have they stuffed in their mouth and how many days of hardship (tears and sweats) they have endured before today. Most of the times, the 3G SGporeans are just mentally weak and usually the easy escape route? … hanging on FB, MSN or Twtitter – to release and relief yourself from pressures. Somehow, these are not work pressures but rather a type of self inflicting type of pressure – You are probably asking yourself why promotions and increment are always the last thing to come by. Back to basic question – why do you apply for this job in the first place? If you work in a job of your interests – low entry salary, long working hours with no FB, MSN or Twitter would be the last thing on your mind. Pick the right job if you would.

    SGporean workers are a important assets to its country and in any SG/ SG based company. Some bosses does not know how to healthily manipulate this. And, the 3G SGporeans does not realise they are.(an asset).

    Of course, we are not laying a sweeping statement here but we deemed it generally.

  110. taxiUncle said

    Dear Old Guard… u sound very egoistical to brand your fellow Sporeans as “bigots” and that they are so incompetent as compared to foreigners. Since u say you are a PMET and in a managerial position who will employ foreigners anytime over Sporeans, you should truly be ashamed as a Singaporean yourself who places such low value
    over your own brothers and still curse them and brand them for their shortcomings.
    U must be so perfect yourself!!
    Don’t be so cocksure and high-handed, as you may one day find yourself being “replaced” by a younger foreigner. Then perhaps you will take your own advice and go into taxi-driving. Then you will realise that it is one where you cannot find employment anywhere else and have no other option. Then take all your years of managerial experience and service culture inculcated over your many years of yr PMET training and go apply it in your taxi-driver job, the only occupation left for you to do! After having to work more than 72 hrs every week and drive relentlessly and work even when you are down with the flu, tell us how you feel??
    Since you feel the taxidrivers all are so lacking in service standard, please join us to help us improve! See how you react when foreigners holler at you for small mistakes, vomit in your taxi, accuse you of running up fares and scold you senselessly for accidentally taking wrong routes etc etc. Tell me how you feel then brother, about your beloved “foreigners” when you are actually at their mercy.
    Now in your in your ivory tower as a manager who makes hiring decisions, u are lucky to have a good paying job. However, I am sure you will sing a different tune when you suddenly become someone who cannot find employment , lost your job and have to face intense competition for a simple job from those younger & “better” foreigners u so highly admire and have to resort to driving taxi for a tough living!
    When you have gone down this road, then you earn the right to make such high-handed comments!

  111. dreamer said

    if you are a slack manger do expect to get a slack team… a developed nation with mature adults do not need such supervision, you treated them with respect and pay them reasonable, they will be like one… ! of course there are often a couple of black sheeps around.. ! i am one lucky one to work in a social and family oriented country Norway.. we work from 8 to 1530hrs. and it is not your business to suspect who come late or finding execuse to get sick leaves, as they did what they have to do and have dignity of their work, but of course like anything else it can be taken for granted. Norway is one country who take care of their own citizen well being before hiring any other nations, and empolyers believe in their own fellow people then other nations..(can be hard on an immigrants) but this is how the system work. i admire it. there is minium wages, a cleaner and a office worker can have a bring home salary slightly different. and garbagge colletors often pay well.. as it is consider as health haze work and demanding. the country is big and has less population than SIN. engineers is in high demand here.. as there is a lack of it, see many Indian and Filippinos and chinese here, doctor,.. but not because the gov. flooding the gate, as these people got the same pay as the Norwgians, but it is really in demand. nurses are also in demand, but it is not easy to become one, as you need to get the local papers. i believe in SIN many local bosses/managers only want cheap labour themselves and expect everyone to work long hours with low pay, and i also believe many MNC companies want to have competant people… it is too bad the gov. do not believe in the quality and professionalism of their local talents. Many international companies only recongise degree cert. think diploma in UK has already been taken out of the system?? it is not internationally recongise, wonder why the gov still want to keep diploma, since we are in a gobal business.. hence maybe that why locals cannot compet with the FT, who are all equiped with degree cert. no matter where this cert. coming from…!! Once again, local bosses, don’t be too cheap with locals. you know without any union to protect the labours, they cannot demand salaries from you.. do your parts as a member of society since the gov is unwilling to help.

  112. oso said

    I’d like 2 see the Singapore back 2 the condition after the Japanese Surrendered, that’d make better:)

  113. Jack sparrow said

    You can act all smug and all-mighty now bro. Wait till u get replaced by an FT, and we will all laugh at your face

  114. David Chow said

    a coin has two sides. To make a blanket statement and brand all Singaporeans the way you did. That is just wrong, not to mention disconnected from the other side.

  115. Point Guard said

    As a manager of a group of people here in SG, i can agree with some of Old Guard’s issues. However, not all SGers are like this: I have a few SGers on staff that work hard and are responsible workers.

    I think one of the problems for softness is not the graduates themselves but their parents. For example, we are a small company, below 50 employees, and we hired a local. After 1 month, she quit because her mom did not want her to work for a small company and had her apply to bigger companies doing call center work. Another example, is a parent proding her daughter to ask for a raise after 1 week on the job cause she was a graduate,

    In both cases, they left the company. With that being said, we also had bad experiences with FT and we’ve had great experiences with both SG and FT. In our company, our preference is to hire the best person we can and our salary structure does not make a differentiate between FT and SG.

    THe recent hardening of FT policies have hurt us though as historically the pool of local talent is small in our industry. As a result, we have opened offices offshore to meet our resource demands. And now our offshore staff outnumbers our staff in SG. I think that will continue to be the trend for other companies too.

    • I like your reply Point Guard …

    • Not PRC, NOt Ang Moh And Not SGporean Either. said

      Point Guard,

      True indeed. Many company grown in SG now becomes too big and are unable to cope with employment issue. Thus, relocated out of SG. Pity.

      This problem is pretty obvious, right? It’s a dead end ahead and the kids have no idea at all. But i am not blaming them (the kids). They just need doses of inspirations to thrive on. Now, who can give it to them, will succeed.

  116. cc chia said

    “Old Guard” is a fool and must be a PAP sycophant or boot-licker. Like his PAP masters, he appears to love foreigners at the expense of locals and for a lack of any other description, I would label him a traitor.

    A true Singaporean should support his own people, period. Those who employ foreigners probably do so because they are much cheaper and they do not have any NS Reserve liabilities. I cannot generalize or make a sweeping statement that foreigners are better than locals or vice versa, however based on my experience in the workplace, I would say that on the average one gets what one pays for, i.e. if you pay peanuts, usually you get monkeys.

    Anyway, how an employee performs on the job depends on motivational factors and on how good a supervisor and/or manager is at his job. Based on the comments of “Old Guard” it seems that he is not a very competent manager of people and should probably make way for someone who is more capable.

  117. Venkad said

    Hey mother son… Piss off. If you a real Singaporean you should be ashame. FT are taking away jobs from Singaporeans. I am sr manager and I have see with our eyes HR telling line managers NOT hire Singaporeans because it was more difficult. The HR managers are telling me that male Singaporeans should not be hired because they have NS. So bloody wake up mother son.

  118. Sam said

    The generation (Old guard) who criticizes our generation should ask themselves, who brought our generation up.

  119. James said

    With a someone like Old Guard in a managerial position, I worry for Singapore’s future.

  120. anonymous said

    The generation of Old Guard climbed to his rank in a period 80s-90s? Those were the days where 20 years of loyalty is the norm. Work hard for the company, company provide you with a job for almost your whole life.

    Old Guard please wake the hell up! Today company do not give a damn on what a good worker you are, you are not special. Someone in China can do your job better if not as good as you at half your salary. Why would I want you? Globalization and with all our neighbor developing and catching up with Singapore, this generation will have to be very competent. Competent to think for themselves, start their own business, make their own path… instead of spending their time to be a good employee for the company. Good employees are doom to be extinct if they do not wise up.

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