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Malaysians living in Singapore for more than 20 years have their PR application rejected

Posted by temasektimes on July 9, 2012

李总理您好!我们一家人是来之马来西亚,拥有新加坡PR也超过20年之久,我们共有3个儿女从小到大都生活在新加坡并且在此受教育,上述你所提到的入乡随俗,生活习惯,甚至是文化习俗和价值观念他们都能做到,可惜的是当我们去申请成为新公民时却被拒绝了,当局也没说明是什么原因不批准!于是我们就拿了ICA的那封信求助于我们区的MP陈川仁先生,大概一星期后我们收到ICA寄来的信说已经收到MP陈川仁先生帮我们Appeal的信,可是至今3个月又过去了依然没有消息!那么多年来即使新加坡政府有钱分给人民我们也没有想到要去申请公民,原因是家乡的父母都健在!如今孩子都长大需要申请大学奖学金或国防部的合约都遭受到约束!因此孩子会有怨气……..使得我们做父母的觉得很无奈!

NG YEOK CHOON

*The above was first posted as a comment on PM Lee’s Facebook.

59 Responses to “Malaysians living in Singapore for more than 20 years have their PR application rejected”

  1. Putting this up for your father in the PRC to read issit? Translate the damn thing dumba$$. Not everyone here speaks Chinese.

    • Alamak said

      Comrade Jai, why you sound so frustrated? He is from Malaysia lah, not PRC! If he writes in Chinese, that means he doesn’t expect someone like you who doesn’t understand Chinese to read lah. What’s the problem?

      • Not the fellow who wrote it lah bro, I was expecting the idiot who put the article up on this website to translate it haha. Curious to see what’s in it also😛

    • Speechless said

      ppl writes for PM Lee, not for TT or you. PM Lee understand will do, whether you can read or not is not important.

      wana blame, blame TT for posting chinese article la.

    • Ben said

      To those ppl who can read !! Not every thing is PRC, Singaporean have Chinese who know how to read .

  2. Jardel said

    Diear Mr. Ng, you can consider going back to Malaysia?

    • Smith said

      20 years. Just imagine how the children will end up in Malaysia where they are not brought up. I think in this case it is justifiable. 20 years is more than enough to integrate a person, what more a family who had kids born and bred in Singapore.

  3. Jack said

    1. Why took you so long to decide, 20 years?
    2. You do not fit into criteria of the kind of citizens government wants, they are looking for new citizens who will for vote for PAP, you are living in Singapore for too long to know what is good. Sorry.

  4. Smarter Malaysian said

    Ha Ha, looks like you idiots can’t read Chinese. They wanted to apply for Singapore citizenship not PR since they already are having stayed here for more than 20 years.

    Actually, Mr. Ng isn’t very smart. He should stay here as a PR forever. Earn Sing dollars and go back buy one bungalow after another and then one fine day finally bid this shithole for good.

    There is nothing here except casinos, gst, mrt breakdowns, outrageous property prices and of course not forgetting Pinoys and PRCs.

    Mr. Ng, you made the wrong move. Now, I am afraid they will force you to be a citizen.

    • Submitter69 said

      Then what do you have there ? Let me see,- crime,corruption,incompetence and religious hypocrisy ? What about many thousands of illegal aliens from India,Bangladesh etc slaving in your pathetic rubber plantations ? Of course not to mention the useless tax sapping members of the royal family!

    • Submitter69 said

      Get real,you silly shithead ! How many S’poreans do you think would want to go visit your childish Legoland ? Give me casinos anytime !

    • golden.c said

      This sounds sour. Tried eating grapes before? Cheers, I believe you will grow up some days.

  5. Steve said

    Malaysia is your home Country, think about it…..

  6. a singaporean by birth said

    guess it’s time these “aliens” have to decide which world they want to call it their home….no longer can have best of both worlds. Time to commit and contribute to the country one has been “taking out” its riches and resources from….

    or perhaps it’s also time for other “aliens” to get their PR status to benefit like what one did for 20 years already??? Singapore forever gets “sucked” up, isnt it?

    • Smith said

      I am pretty sure he has chosen to give up Malaysian citizenship when he applied for Singapore citizenship. Best of both world is not an issue here.

  7. CY said

    The translation in the title is wrong it should read: “Malaysians living in Singapore for more than 20 years have their citizenship application rejected” instead of “PR application”.

    The Chinese comment above mentioned that their application to become Singapore Citizens was rejected by ICA, and they are already PRs for 20 years.

    To the moderator or site admin, please correct this. Thanks.

  8. Native S'porean said

    Opportunist?
    Aged parents in home country is a lame excuse…

  9. i5htar said

    I know many Malaysians who live Singapore for many many years with PR status. Why they don’t want to convert to “pink IC” ??? This is what I know from them…when they retired they planned to go back those Malaysia when they old…they are here just to work and earn the money and spend in Malaysia,,,as we all know becos of the exchange rate…most of the Malaysia have their HDB flat here and living here…and at the same time have their own lands and houses in Malaysia…for all those year working in Singapore and save up their money for property investment in Malaysia…I am not sure our Goverment have any “check up” on their property status in Malaysia before they can get a HDB here…some rent out their HDB’s room for extra income,,,and I not sure our Goverment got tax on those income…a few even more clever,,,they live in JB and have HDB flats(rent out whole house) here…they drive in and out Singapore for work…earn the money in Singapore and spend in Malaysia…don’t forget the incoming from rental too…

    This already happened many years…my questions is,,,why our goverment now start doing things???

    • Reformasi said

      To be fair, almost every PR, regardless of their country of origin, has properties overseas. Mind you, even new citizens or old citizens have oversea properties too. As long as they do it in accordance with the law and clean money, why show so much of jealousy? They have proven that they are more capable than you.

    • i say what i think only... said

      no properties allowed for BTO buyers. this rule applies to locals only because it is easy to check the locals if they own any properties. try asking a PRC if he have any and he obviously say no. will u go to the rural places to check? nope, obviously. there is no way local gov can trace these people ownership (even if they have the mean, they will not go to such trouble. just get them to sign declaration to cover their ass).

    • sunhub said

      PR = Parasite Resident

      They will leave their host after sucking them dirty.

      • golden.c said

        So, we still need them? Singapore is a cohesive society and they too played their parts in attracting foreign investments. Some do the work that We Singaporean don’t normally do. Please, be fair to them.

  10. Jae said

    Editor, wrong title. The writer and his family were alr PR. They were rejected when applying for citizenship. Do get the facts right before post.

    Also, do keep update on how our great mr lee is responding to the writer

  11. JjJ said

    The dangerous thing is that nobody knows who these new citizens are. Which countries they came from?

    There is no figure to reveal the data. Even if asked, they refuse to reveal anything; What ‘s the agenda for the secrecy?

  12. mahbok tan said

    ayoyoyo ….. this is wat they call i scratch ur back u scratch my back….so both happy…!!!
    PM Lee teached this to PM Najib and they say win win situation….so KTM land go back to SGpore … n who get the money…SGPorean…!!!!

    As for Malaysian who after 20years still cannot get their PR status extended , alamak , no need to complain la….go back malaysia enuf coz their money oreadi enuf to retire over there…… if not why wait till 20years then want to ask about citizenship….if got children oreadi sure can get citizenship but not married yet then good luck u can take your money back to kampong and retire early lor

  13. George said

    Sad to hear that even after 20 years in Singapore they did not get their Singapore citizenship. I feel sorry for the person . Firstly let me declared i do not know the a/m malaysian person at all. Many years ago an indian Singaporean married an Indian female from India.( Indian citizen ) . The children of the said Indian couple came Singaporean by birth as their father was a Singaporean. Many times they tried to get the Indian female citizen of Singapore. The immigration did not grant her any without giving any reasons. I use to accompany with her to appeal with the immigrations officers for her citizenship of Singapore. I was,a schoolboy then with the ability to speak in English with the immigration officers. Now when I recall the meeting I had with the immigration officers I concluded racial discrimation against the Indians. The said female has died in India without coming a citizen of this country. Without fear I say the PRC are given citizen easier that others.

    • robbie said

      Its a political move ..increasing the ratio of the majority of oriental descents to the other two main ethnicities ..IT BACKFIRED.. Kampung spirit prevails ..

    • Alamak said

      George, what an experience! And a really sad one to hear….

  14. Blow jobbers said

    Now so many goondos wan to get SG citizenship and sabo their own boys to do NS, while protecting foreigners which make up almost 50% of the population in Spore. Thats a stupid move. I will not want my kids to take up Spore citizenships. At most a PR

  15. T_T said

    What is talent and brains… make good use of them to make $$$ for you.

  16. Free Ride!!! said

    Please read the last paragraph carefully.

    It seems that the main reason for them to decide now (20 years later) that they want to convert to Singapore citizen is because their offspring wanted to apply for the Singapore Scholarship for their tertiary education IN Singapore otherwise I think they will continue to enjoy the best of both worlds and retire in Malaysia once they have earned enough of Singapore Dollars.

    Do we really need this kind of Citizen???? It seems that Ah Tiong, Ah Neh, Pinoy come with the same intention if not all.

    • Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

      @Free Ride!!! . . speak with from your brain, not backside.

      If a Malaysian choose to become SGporean, he must give up his Malaysian Citizenship. I am absolutely certain about this because i have a colleague who converted from Msian to SGporean recently. Dual citizenship is not allowed in any way for them.

      If you (free ride) wants to stir up racial hate here, better get your backside cleaned first. Aren’t you afraid of jail?

      • Free Ride!!! said

        @Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

        Use your FXXking brain or maybe you do not have one then use your Fxxking ass to read. If you do not understand ENGLISH then shutup.

        Best of both world means, he remains a PR and than earned enough S$ can go back to Malaysia and retire.,Boonka you.
        KNNBCCB.

      • Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

        @Free Ride …

        It seems you are agreed with me there are correlations between one’s brain and backside. Hey, please don’t steal my line, go think of one on your own. By the way, I understand English but i do not agree with your argument, that’s it. Why so worked up, Ah Beng?

        Let me give you a pointer – To enjoy the best of both worlds means having a status quo under 2 different entity simultaneously. Well, you should say the writer is taking the advantages by being a PR in SG while still holding a citizen status in MY. That will be more correct.

        Now, let us dissect this. There are also many SGporeans holding PR in US, Australia and Canada … So, is that wrong? Can the same be said of them? That their only intend is to earn $$$ there and come back to SG for good once they have earned enough? Taking the country they are residing for a ride?

        Another scenario . . . Your company sent you to work in New York for 2 years, after that you are offered a USA PR, would you accept it? Your daughter studied medicine in UK was offered a PR after she graduated there, should she accept it? Many would think . . .why not, no harm done, right?

        Being a PR is a pre-requisites for citizenship. PR do not enjoy the same privilege as a citizen, only part of it. This is to give them a taste of what is it like if one become the citizen of that country. It is similar to a trial period or a probation. But all ‘probation’ should have a time frame. Once it ends, you must choose EITHER to convert to citizen or give up your PR status. If you choose to become a citizen, then you must give up your citizenship of your origin country. That’s only fair. The ideal ‘probation’ period is, however remains a point with open ends.

        Last scenario, you opened restaurant selling Mee Pok and business was booming because the noodle you cooked is so tasty. After a while, your restaurant is always crowded and there are some unruly customers, grumpy and making a mess, of course besides the fine ones. So, do you blame yourself for being such a good Mee Pok cook? Customers come to you because they like your noodle. Similarly, FT/FW comes to SG because SG is attractive to them. Why many of you put the blames on your government entirely? Be known that they are also the ones who build and nurtured SG to become attractive in the first place!

        Dear SGporeans, if your country is a lousy one, like one of the 3rd world countries where people still roam the streets without a footwear … do you think many FT/FW would come here still?

        Go back to the Mee Pok seller, although you can but you should not chase away your customers just because you are frustrated and could not handle too many of them. That would leave a bad taste in their mouth and bad for your reputation. Words will eventually spread and at the end of it, it will only backfire on you. What you need is a good operating system and proper business management. Just like going to a 100,000 seating capacity stadium to watch a football match. How the heck they organised it without severe crowd trouble and disturbance? Are you going to tell the stadium to shut down and ask everybody to leave? Or are you going to tell the football association to stop organising matches in the future?

    • golden.c said

      Singapore does not allow dual citizenship.

  17. Yayrhah said

    Every Malaysians who have PR for 10 years should have been rejected for good!
    is 10 years too long??

    • Smith said

      Let me refine your question. Are you saying that every Malaysians who have PR for 10 years should apply for citizenship or leave Singapore?

      • Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

        Not necessary to leave, can remain working in SG but no longer a PR. Just a working permit holder.

  18. Singapore Talent said

    If really wanna be Singaporean, would have done it long ago. Now hear all the clampdown then make decision? Tsk tsk tsk…

    • Edmund said

      Agreed, live and earn good money.Remain PR as long as possible and when news that govt is taking action on PRs decided to apply for Singapore citizenship.Their action will tell whether they are loyal to singapore in future.Their soul is here but the heart is in MALAYSIA.

      • Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

        @Edmund … that would depends:

        1. If the writer has been constantly applying for citizenship in these past 20 years and – was rejected by your government.
        2. If the writer has remain PR just for the sake of enjoying the perks and has no intention to become a SG citizen.

        If the answer is no.2 , then he is not a good candidate for a SG citizen, sad to say.

  19. 陳一峯 said

    其實原因很簡單。新加坡不是你們要來就來要去就去的地方。你也不需要20年來考慮是否要移民來新。

  20. Ren said

    这可以等

  21. William Lee said

    This Penang lawyer Albert Kang Gim Swee and his wife are PRs for more than 20 yrs, make millions got enbloc sale, still unhappy n not grateful …. n help American John Harding hantam our MIW who deserve it. Bring in trash they get sh*t. haha…

  22. NSmen said

    From what I observe in his letter, his children should be born in Malaysia, hence they are only PRs and not citizens. Secondly, he claims that his children are going to university, but I can see none of his children served NS, else they would have already attained their citizenship. Thirdly, he should have received an offer for him and his children to convert to citizens, but must have most likely rejected the offer in the early days. Lastly, he certainly did not plan for the future properly for his children, as there are scholarships for foreigners everywhere in Singapore, thanks to the FAP. By taking PR for his children, he deprived his children of attaining those scholarships, and PRs are usually at the end of the queue for local scholarships, hence he is the main cause for sandwiching his children into such predicament.

    • Not SGporean, Not Angmoh, Not PRC not Pinoy either. Just a humble PR.. said

      Agree with you. But in any way, his offsprings (called 2nd generation) must serve the country (National Service), there is no exception . . . So, there are only 2 options …. pack up for NS or pack out of SG!

    • lee said

      1. Born in Singapore will not be Singaporean unless one of the parent is Singaporean. PR children remain PR.
      2. Never mention his children serving NS, but his children can be all daughters.
      3. More scholarship for non-PR foreigner, less for citizen and even lesser for PR.

    • 龍的传人 said

      以逃过NS,现在就书大学!现在申请公民!算盘精打细算,聪明极顶。
      我们的领袖也不傻。想瞒天过海不必当兵,我们的领导眼睛是雪亮的,胡芦卖什么膏药我们一看就知。

  23. Ben said

    20yrs then he consider to apply for citizenship BECOS of the scholar ship ?and mindef contract ?

  24. Angelia Ng said

    Frankly speaking, no sympathy from me for the above case here. If he seriously want to obtain citizenship for his children, the easiest way will be for him and his wife to convert first before attempting to do so for his children.

    No such thing as parents still holding on to their Malaysian citizenship and children apply for Singapore citizenship. There is 0 logic in this or I would say trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    Furthermore it is mentioned that he has both sons and daughters. If his sons have served their NS, obtaining of citizenship would be automatic. As seen, it seems like his sons have not done so.

    It become a case of another PR who wants to have his cake and eat it too.

    Because my husband’s uncle is the exact same scenario. Holding on to their Malaysian citizenship as a back up Plan.

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