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Cyclist: Make it a traffic offence not to give way to cyclists, and impose a demerit point

Posted by temasektimes on August 23, 2012

Following the recent high-profile traffic accident involving cyclist Freddy Teo who died after colliding with a lorry on the road last week, cyclists have called on the government to impose stricter penalties on drivers for not keeping a look-out for cyclists on the road.

In a letter sent to the state media today, Chong Chie Seng wrote it is dangerous for cyclists to ride on Singapore roads as they are not built with cyclists in mind:

“Motorists are not educated to share the roads with motorcyclists, let alone the more vulnerable cyclists. Some cyclists are of the view that they have the right of way on the road and expect other motorists to give way to them. Some motorists, on the other hand, treat the cyclists as their equals on the road and do not pay special attention to this vulnerable group.”

He suggests imposing a penalty on drivers who do not give way to cyclists:

“….we can change the rules of engagement to say that cyclists have a special right on the road, similar to an ambulance, and that motorists must give way to cyclists. Make it a traffic offence not to give way to cyclists, and impose a demerit point.”

Singaporeans remain divided on the issue with some calling for a special lane to be designated for cyclists while others want cyclists to get off the roads and stick to pedestrian tracks instead.

133 Responses to “Cyclist: Make it a traffic offence not to give way to cyclists, and impose a demerit point”

  1. Bla bla bla!!! said

    Fuck it man, do you cyclist pay road tax? Unless you people pay road tax too, otherwise you got no rights to demand so much! Our roads are meant for motor vehicles, not bicycles!

    • Ben said

      Roads are meant for people to move around, not for motorist. Please get yourself educated on this and perhaps learn some proper manners when speaking on the internet as well.

      • FK YOUR MOTHER's CCB! said

        FUCK YOU MAN!!! Base on your logic, the internet are meant for anybody to put down their thought and opinions as and when they wish AND however rude or polite they wish to be! AND you have your freedom not to read it too! This is a free world! FUCK YOU! Get yourself educated too! THIS IS A FREE WORLD UNDERSTAND!

      • Yes, I totally agree with you. It is a free world to show people how civilised (or uncivilised) you are and I guess you have done it very well. Don’t be a keyboard warrior. And do not assume that I am speaking nicely because I only know how to speak in this manner, it is a choice I make. Get this clear. And I really wonder how old you are (or how matured for that matter).

    • divideandconquer said

      When pedestrians cross the road, do you give way? The last time I checked, many pedestrians failed to pay road tax.

    • Thomas Tan said

      Flawed argument my friend. I drive on a daily basis and I cycle 4 – 5 times a week for exercise and recreation. I pay quite substantial amounts in income tax, GST, “high” road tax for my cars and many other direct and indirect taxes. Let me ask you foul mouth Mr. Bla Bla Bla!!! “How many people in Singapore do you think pay income tax and if they don’t, are they entitled to walk on pavements, walkways, overhead pedestrian bridges etc built with public funds?” Just because you pay road tax does not mean that you own the roads.

      Some cycle for fun, recreation or exercise. Some cycle because they need to. Some just prefer cycling to other modes of transport or travel. Let’s build a more gracious society. Let’s make the roads safer for everyone.

      • Jenny said

        The problem is most cyclists doesn’t obey traffic rules and think the road is theirs because they are so vulnerable. U want a more gracious society? Ask ur fellow cyclists to stop at red lights and give way to pedestrians crossing the road 1st.

      • SgGuy said

        RIGHT on! n since cyclist dun pay road tax or abide by any written rules/law, the introduction of the law to give way to cyclist will only make most of them even more reckless and endanger more lives. Wonder why the solutions to problems in Singapore is always more problematic in itself??? Scholars has got education but CANT THINK?!??!!?

      • nationalist said

        Kumbayah my lord, Kumbayah.
        Boring!!!

      • Thomas Tan said

        @Jenny – I agree with you totally 1) cyclists must obey traffic rules and 2) that cyclists must stop at red lights and give way to pedestrians crossing the road 1st.

        As I see it, problems are cars are a danger to cyclists on the roads and bicycles are a danger to pedestrians on the footpaths, walkways etc and even PCNs. Maybe bicycles should be banned totally (ha! ha!). There must be a solution/s and it is within ourselves if only we be gracious and willing to accomodate each other.

    • In all seriousness said

      Tell me if you were walking on the pavement and got hit by a bicycle ? How would you feel ? What would you tell the cyclist then ? Go on the road ? Or would you just throw a handful of curse words at him/her. Rethink your concept of Cyclist should not be on the road. Just asking for you to give way is too much ? What if a cyclists hogs the pavement and you ask the cyclist to give way. He screams that you have no right to demand and asks you to get of the pavement. Ridiculous ? Yes. Your post Ridiculous. Terribly. Everyone has equal rights. Nobody owes anyone a living. Stop behaving like a child and grow up.

    • Bai Hu said

      YES Bla*3. I totally agree with u. If we give way to these peoples’ whims & fancy, next time pedestrians will also want the same privileges. I even heard from a foreigner friend that in the whole world, only Malaysia & Singapore allows motorcyclists to share the same highway with cars!!! Dun we know how dangerous this one is? So what makes us think that cyclists should be allowed to share the same roads as bicycles?

    • Singaporean Road Biker said

      Is it? So I’m already playing road tax for my motorbike and my car, you still want me to pay road tax for my bicycle? Ok can. So if I do pay for my bike road tax, will motorists like you still willingly share the road with me? I highly doubt it. Typical selfish Singaporean behaviour.

      • Jenny said

        U are the selfish one, u put ur stupid passion for this lame hobby above other vehicles, u expect those going to work or school give way to u and become late? U expect vehicles to move slowly for u bunch of fuckers in the end there is a traffic jam? SO wat do u want? Can’t u cycle in the park connectors? Singapore’s road is just tat big and u still want us to leave a lane for ur selfish passion?

      • Ben said

        Please Jenny. What makes you think that cyclist cannot be going to work or school? So to prevent traffic jam we should remove all the traffic lights for the pedestrians as well? So that motorist can move faster? Everyone has a right to use the road. You don’t own the road. And please learn some manners when speaking on the internet. Just because your identity is not exposed does not mean you can speak like that. Learn some civility.

      • Jenny said

        Please ben, take the public transport or walk, the road doesn’t belongs to u cyclists either. Pedestrian obeys the the traffic rules much more than cyclists. Why should i use civility when replying to selfish people like u?

      • tay said

        Did you guys notice that the congestion was created by the PAP’s mindless policy of importing 2 Million foreigners into Spore ?

        When there are too many people on this tiny island, we end up with too many vehicles on the road and also being packed like sardines in the MRT trains.
        The bloody PAP policy has now turned the cyclists against motorists, cyclists against pedestrians or three against each other. The laughable thing is many of us can be motorists, cyclists, motorbike riders and even pedestrians.

        Somehow I get the feeling it was intended to divert attention of sporeans.
        what do you guys think ?

      • Alex said

        To Jenny: you are extremely volatile for a lady. if you even are a lady.
        i’d suggest anger management for you, but I presume and assume you would go ballistic at my suggestion.
        if you have that much pent up anger within, how will you, as a driver, react when another car cuts in front of you, or swerves into your lane?
        you are more of a road hazard than you think, and should be barred from driving, regardless of how much money you have, or how well you performed on the Driving test.

    • Driver Paying Road TAX said

      hmm .. interesting .. does that mean that for those “special” group of people who are not contributing any income taxes have to refrain from using any of the infra-structures?

    • SicknPoorian said

      Give them a chance, they need to somehow show off their thousands dollars bike, their expensive suit, gloves, shade and helmet. If not why would they wanna do that. They keep saying it is so dangerous on the road, cars not giving way, not enough space, and yet they keep doing it !

  2. Ken Lee said

    do the cyclists know where the blind sport for car lorry van?
    even the TP also doesn’t know where the blind for the vehicles.

  3. kumantong said

    ‘Make it a traffic offence not to give way to cyclists, and impose a demerit point’
    What Bloody Nonsense is this?
    YOU cyclists shd be BANNED from the ROAD!!
    Make it a traffic offence to summon cyclists who cycle on the Road instead!
    Brainless! Never tink before writing!

    • Ben said

      Cyclist have a right to cycle on the roads, just like how pedestrians have a right to cross the roads. Roads are meant for people to move around, not for motorist.

      • Jenny said

        U seen pedestrians walking on the middle lane of the road? U seen pedestrians walking along the yellow line? U seen pedestrians walking on the expressway? Pedestrians have no rights on these roads and so do those motherfucker cyclists.

      • Alex said

        to jenny: yes to all of those questions.

      • Jenny said

        to alex, yeah right, show me.

      • Ben said

        Honestly, please go and read up on the law. Cyclists are supposed to cycle on the roads. Nuff said.

      • SicknPoorian said

        Did the laws say anything about cyclist are allow to ride in formation and jamming up the left lane, during peak hour ? Dashing in and out of lane ? Give the middle finger when I was just trying to make him aware of my present by slight tap on the horn ? Dash onto the main road without slowing down or stopping and did not give a damm about on coming traffic ? I am just asking……….

      • To SicknPoorian: No. All that you have mentioned is wrong. But I think this is not the topic here. There are also plenty of drivers who does the same thing as well, are we going to ban them off the road? Are we going to run them down? Force them off the road? Stop stereotyping. Being a cyclist myself, I always signal my intention when it is safe to do so (we have to take one hand off the handlebar to do that) and I keep my rear lights on even in the day so that drivers who are half sleeping can see me.

        And please, don’t go and horn at a cyclist. You have no freaking idea how damn loud it is outside. Just keep a safe distance and overtake. If you cannot overtake safely, then wait until it is safe to do so. I am sure most lanes in Singapore can accommodate that.

        I am not asking for a lane, but more understanding, respect and courtesy. The problem is that even if you can, others may not, so the best way to protect us, is perhaps to draw a line or come up with more laws to protect us. In fact, many developed countries are coming with laws to protect cyclist. Go read about it.

        One day, your son/daughter may fall in love with cycling too!

    • Dr Ken MANSUKHANI said

      Very very well said especially the brainless never think before writing part.

    • Frustrated Driver said

      MIS-BEHAVING road users themselves should be banned from the roads .. while not referring to any particular group of road users

    • Cedric said

      Actually its an offence NOT to cycle on the roads. Cyclists are supposed to use roads, not pedastrians paths unless they are bike paths. BUT why should it be an offence not to give way to bicycles? Like tat must also make compulsary to give way to elderly, young children, pregnant women etc etc etc.

      Just make dangerous use of public roads as an offence, regardless whether its car, motorcycles, bicycles or watever wheels you have. As long as you endanger your own life and others, then you should be banned!!

  4. Lim said

    Please governement to impose COE on bicycle and road tax and erp for bicycle riders. And make sure the riders buy bicycle insurances.

    Haha. Naive and selfish suggestions from bicycle riders.

    • Ben said

      On ERP, road tax and insurance

      Road tax is meant for maintenance of the roads, not building of roads. Cyclist do not cause enough damage to the roads as much as motorist do, to the extend that warrants taxation. As such, they are not taxed. If we have to tax cyclist for using the roads, then shall we tax pedestrians as well? So I suppose, those who are poor can only stay at home because they cannot afford to pay road tax? If we have to tax anyone who uses any slightest bit of shared resources then I suggest that we tax motorist for the air they pollute, since clean air is also a resource that we share.

      ERP is imposed to control the amount of vehicle using the same road at certain timing. If one day, cyclist reaches the amount that needs to be controlled, then perhaps it should then be implemented, however I certainly doubt that it will ever happen.

      Last but not least, on insurance, it has already been introduced, albeit not mandatory. The reason why insurances are mandatory for motorist is because the cost of damages associated in a motor vehicle accident, is often way beyond what the driver can pay for. And the probability for causing such expensive damages are extremely high, considering the amount of traffic accidents that happen and the amount of cars on the road. It is also meant to protect third parties who are not related to the driver.

      As compared to motorist, in terms of probability, cyclist do not have that much probability to cause any high cost damages due to faults on their part.

  5. Dr Ken MANSUKHANI said

    Why not include the major causeways too. I mean share them with cyclists. Chong Chie Seng, please lah make some sense of what you asking here man. Motorists must adhere to your whims and if they don’t they get demerit points. I suggest you bring your bike to ECP bicycle track and peddle all you want peacefully over there. Don’t know WTF you behaving like an Indian Chief.

    • Ben said

      I do not think that cyclist must be treated like ambulances. However, I wish to point out that cyclist have a right to use the roads, it does not belong to anyone. Therefore, please do not imply that cyclist should only cycle on bicycle tracks, else be treated unfairly. It is a mode of transportation for us as well.

      Last but not least, I think opening up expressways for us is a good idea. It seemed rather wide to accommodate cyclist on the sides.

      • Jenny said

        U are an idiot, so u just land on the expressway by a helicopter? U still need to enter and exit from normal roads with no space for selfish human like u. And when u got into an accident on the high speed expressway who do u wanna blame now?

      • Ben said

        I dont know what you are trying to say…what does entering expressway have to do with opening up expressway for cyclist? I don’t think I imply anything about cyclist not entering expressway thru the normal means which is via a normal road. Now you talk about helicopters? Omg.

        and for your information, for both of the previous two high profile cases, the driver fell asleep. So we should not blame them?

        Let me tell you what. I really hope that one day your son or daughter will fall in love with cycling and I shall see what you say then. =) (I am not as evil as you to wish for something worse to happen to others).

        Please, when you give a comment, remember that everyone is someone’s father, son, daughter or wife. =)

    • ANTI FT said

      He’s behaving more like a MIC ..

  6. nationalist said

    Cyclist should also be registered and pay the road tax and be given number plates so if they break any traffic rules, they can be prosecuted. Wearing a proper helmet, luminous jacket and working front and back lights should be mandatory, it is also for their own safety.

    • Ben said

      On ERP, road tax and insurance

      Road tax is meant for maintenance of the roads, not building of roads. Cyclist do not cause enough damage to the roads as much as motorist do, to the extend that warrants taxation. As such, they are not taxed. If we have to tax cyclist for using the roads, then shall we tax pedestrians as well? So I suppose, those who are poor can only stay at home because they cannot afford to pay road tax? If we have to tax anyone who uses any slightest bit of shared resources then I suggest that we tax motorist for the air they pollute, since clean air is also a resource that we share.

      ERP is imposed to control the amount of vehicle using the same road at certain timing. If one day, cyclist reaches the amount that needs to be controlled, then perhaps it should then be implemented, however I certainly doubt that it will ever happen.

      Last but not least, on insurance, it has already been introduced, albeit not mandatory. The reason why insurances are mandatory for motorist is because the cost of damages associated in a motor vehicle accident, is often way beyond what the driver can pay for. And the probability for causing such expensive damages are extremely high, considering the amount of traffic accidents that happen and the amount of cars on the road. It is also meant to protect third parties who are not related to the driver.

      As compared to motorist, in terms of probability, cyclist do not have that much probability to cause any high cost damages due to faults on their part.

      However, I do agree on the part on wearing helmets. In fact, most serious cyclist do wear helmets when they cycle on the road; after all, it is our own heads that we are protecting.

      Last but not least, the lights are required by law, however, only after dark.

      • Jenny said

        Please ben, don’t compare u selfish cyclist with pedestrians, we obey traffic rules. And why should we be tax when we only walk on the tar road when crossing them? Cyclist ride on the road is different from pedestrians, u want us to be fair, u pay the tax. Now thats fairness.

      • Ben said

        Oh, so all pedestrians obey rules, and all cyclist do not. I can see how general is your generalisation now; you really need to stop your stereotyping. I think it is very sad that there are many people like you ask for cyclist to be taxed because you are killing off an activity that is not only environmental friendly but healthy as well. Perhaps we should tax motorist for polluting the air =) Since air is also a common resource, like roads.

      • nationalist said

        Of course the cyclists who cycle on the road need to pay tax. Don’t tell me that we should slice a lane on every road for cyclist! ( That cost money too ; just for cyclists’ benefit ). You need to build cycle lane beside every road. You need to paint the arrows sign for them, a small sets of traffic lights for cyclist and BLOODY maintaining them! Licence plate is very important too as they can be prosecuted if they cause any injuries or damages. An officer processing these applications need to be paid too. They should also attend road safety courses like any other road users; knowing what kind of protective gear to wear, signalling to other motorist their intention to change lane or turn left!
        Cyclists do cause accident because they hog the road and they shouldn’t also cycle abreast.
        Anyway why can’t these cyclists cycle in the park!? Why do you need to cycling along the road, breathing in fumes all the time? That’s not healthy at all. This is not Tour de France. Government should just lower their bus and train charges and have more buses and trains ( running on time too).
        Headlight are required to be switched on, day and night. Luminous jacket must be worn whenever they are using the road.

      • Lets put it this way, Nationalist. There are cyclist who do not obey the rules, but that doe snot mean that we should penalise all cyclist. Just like there are motorist who do not obey traffic rules too.

        Having a cycling lane is not just for the benefits of cyclist. One cyclist on the road means one lesser people squeezing with you on the MRT or driving. Not every cyclist cycle for the sake of keeping fit only. Myself, I cycle for transport.

        If cycling on park connectors are suitable, no one would want to risk his/her life on the road.

        You introduce license plate for road cyclist, then all cyclist will flock to the pedestrian lane. Please think further.

        If you cannot see a cyclist cycling on the road in daylight, then I really doubt that headlights will help in the day. Although I keep them on most of the time.

        And last but not least, seems like your suggestions are all on cyclist. How about motorist? They don’t have a part to play? So every time a cyclist get knocked down, it is our fault?

    • Dr Ken MANSUKHANI said

      Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!

    • blilas said

      Agree that at least make it mandatory to wear a proper helmet, luminous jacket and working front and back lights for their own safety. – seriously, some cyclists have no idea how scary it is when a driver driving at 70-80km/h suddenly spotted them under a dim light, all dressed in dark clothes and weaving left and right. Or even scarier, those lone cyclists who actually lane-change on a major road as if they are motorcyclists. I myself almost crashed into another car, seeing one cyclist did exactly that! not matter how fit or confident you are, cyclists still have to be responsible road users, we drivers don’t want to hurt or kill anyone too, and while trying to avoid cyclists and keep a safe distance from them, we sometimes risk hitting someone or something else! It takes 2 hands to clap, don’t just put all the blame on drivers just be’c we are bigger and faster.

    • Bernard Deng said

      Agree. Cyclist must attend a road safety education course and equipped with proper safety gear before they are allowed to be on the road. Bicycles must be registered like any other motor vehicles. In the 60s, every bicycle has a number plate. Mine is 256297 issued by City Council then.

    • Fair said

      Good suggestion

    • ANTI FT said

      And they need a VALID CYCLING LICENCE as well

  7. Alex sum said

    NOT UNLESS THEY PAY D FARKING ROAD-TAX!!! Encounter b4 tat just 2 farking cyclists had occupied 1 FARKING LANE n causing JAM ON D ROAD!! WTF IS TIS? STILL WANA IMPOSE WAT DEMERIT POINT??!!! WAT HAS TIS WORLD GONE TO??!!!!

  8. Alpha said

    that’s like punishing you for not serving tea to a burglar who breaks into your house.

  9. Andy said

    i think we should also impose COE on bicycle too since they want to share the roads

  10. Playfair said

    Bloody idiots can’t even ride a bicycle properly want rights.
    Have you seen how these Ang Moh’s cyclists behave on the road. They think they own the road most of the time 3 to 4 abreast. Horn them that you are overtaking they show you the middle finger.
    We pay a bomb for our car, expensive road tax, insurance,petrol, erp parking charges,and these nuts dont pay a cent want rights on the road.
    Learn to ride properly ,dont show off with your expensive bikes.
    Sometimes 3 abreast also can talk to each other. They dont care but want rights.

    • MrBenCai(Ben) said

      Actually, I agree with you. There are many cyclists that needs to educated. But being educated is one thing, chasing cyclist off the roads and bullying them is another. But please don’t go and horn the cyclist, it is very loud outside, even a tap can startle us, just overtake when it is safe to do so.

  11. NaBey said

    All cyclist and motorist involve in hit and run over an ant crossing the road must be punished !! Death penalty !!! Nabey !!!

  12. nana said

    Want to cycle on the road? at least pass ur high way code first la

  13. nana said

    I hate it when those chinaman and Bangladeshi cycle against the traffic and expect drivers to give way

  14. Ben said

    i’m a cyclist and i think that cyclists should give way to motor vehicles, reason being no way in the world can a cyclist overtake a motor vehicle. it takes a while and a little space for the cyclist to give away and it doesnt obstruct traffic on the roads, compared to the other way round

    • MrBenCai(Ben) said

      There are laws that decides who should give way to who. The problem is that even when a cyclist is having the right of the way, a lot of motorist just cut in front of them.

  15. Cyclists are hard to see at night said

    I suggest that they should be banned from cycling (probably on those danger areas that they have listed) during night time. Cyclists are only allow to ride at night within their town where there are enough lightings from street lamps and buildings. I have noticed that most of the (car-bike) accidents happened at night.

  16. Xanavi said

    Cyclist cycle on pavement, people walking kpkb the cyclist. Then cyclist cycle on road, drivers also kpkb the cyclist. Then where you want the cyclist to cycle? inside your @ss?

  17. trbikes said

    YYYAAAAWWWWNNNNNN!!!! Cyclist here, replying…..

  18. RONNIE WEE said

    then make it an offence as well when the cyclist breaks the rules as well. classic example, ride along the road, come to zebra crossing, dash across. wtf

  19. amperia said

    Will you say this if one day, one of your family members pick up cycling and become a victim on the road? Please be responsible and don’t be myopic in view talking about road tax. We all pay taxes in different ways.

  20. Ben said

    I do not agree with the post above. It would be wrong for us to treat cyclist as if they are ambulance.

    However, there are traffic rules that determines who gets the right of the way. Any vehicle, bicycle or not, that does not go according to such rules, should then be penalised.

    On ERP, road tax and insurance

    Road tax is meant for maintenance of the roads, not building of roads. Cyclist do not cause enough damage to the roads as much as motorist do, to the extend that warrants taxation. As such, they are not taxed. If we have to tax cyclist for using the roads, then shall we tax pedestrians as well? So I suppose, those who are poor can only stay at home because they cannot afford to pay road tax? If we have to tax anyone who uses any slightest bit of shared resources then I suggest that we tax motorist for the air they pollute, since clean air is also a resource that we share.

    ERP is imposed to control the amount of vehicle using the same road at certain timing. If one day, cyclist reaches the amount that needs to be controlled, then perhaps it should then be implemented, however I certainly doubt that it will ever happen.

    Last but not least, on insurance, it has already been introduced, albeit not mandatory. The reason why insurances are mandatory for motorist is because the cost of damages associated in a motor vehicle accident, is often way beyond what the driver can pay for. And the probability for causing such expensive damages are extremely high, considering the amount of traffic accidents that happen and the amount of cars on the road. It is also meant to protect third parties who are not related to the driver.

    As compared to motorist, in terms of probability, cyclist do not have that much probability to cause any high cost damages due to faults on their part.

    I hope that Singaporeans can think for one another and stop acting selfish.

  21. CWS said

    Another ignorant cyclist!

    • amperia said

      CWS, you will be singing a different song when one of your family members get knocked down by a reckless motorist.

      • nationalist said

        I don’t think his family or friends is stupid enough to risk their lives and cycle on the road. What about cycling in the parks?

      • MrBenCai(Ben) said

        If cycling in a park can bring me where I want to go, I will. But it doesn’t.

  22. Feroz Yahya said

    It’s Freddy Khoo.
    FYI

  23. SicknPoorian said

    I work over the weekend offen. Usually at Changi, Woodlands and Jurong. And I can say that most experience I had with these cyclist are bad. They just ride like crazy, no respect for other road user. They behave like I am so vulnerable, so weak, the rest of the road user must look out for us. But they ride like loss nut. And how can we be sure that its the lorry driver’s fault ?

    • MrBenCai(Ben) said

      The lorry driver fell asleep as according to news, not sure about it thou. If you see a lot of cyclist behaving badly on the roads, please let the TP know. Get them to do their job. We have enough cyclist spoiling the names of the rest.

  24. George said

    Can someone post his car number and cycle in front of his car. Opps, he may not have driving license.

  25. spotlessleopard said

    Cyclists are real road hogs…everyday they endanger themselves and others by :1) Inconsiderate cycling on pedestrian paths
    2) Cycling across Pedestrian Crossings instead of demounting and walk across Pedestrian cRossings (endangering other pedestrians and themselves 3)riding two or three abreast 4)Not wearing protective gear…..
    Cyclist should be registerred and made to pay Road Tax so that funds can be used to upgrade Roads and paths to accomodate cyclists.
    Police must take strong action against cyclists….too many ofthem are flouting basic safety rules.

  26. Very Angry Singaporean said

    I got 2 words for ya:”FUCK YOU!”

  27. L said

    Hope the bill get through and this will end the grievous of those cyclists.

    Will the points or fine bring back the life or parts of the body back? Ok, maybe it’s just me, my guess is the cyclist will lose out if a collision occur between their bicycle and the vehicle regardless how small/slow the vehicle is.

    At present, many people is abusing the cycling system in Singapore. Not dismounting at traffic lights, cycling on the pavement (got the cheek to ring their bell), cycling on the road without proper equipments. Worse still, create additional seats in front and back for toddles and young kids and cycle on the road! There are many more examples but who cares?!

    Regardless what system or educating policy they are implementing now is going to be useless. It’s already a national phenomenon.

    I just hope the bill will get through and all the cyclists in Singapore will cheer to it. I’ll bet the neighborhood police won’t bother to get down from their car even they see the cyclists are challenging the pavement full of pedestrian nor crossing the traffic lights.
    ( Something to share: A patrol car just zoom pass me after I got out of it’s way at a traffic light juntion with a couple of cyclists riding towards me and my kids. I have to pull my kids aside in the middle of the road to prevent those cyclists from knocking my kids. Happened at the junction outside Yewtee MRT.)

    So most likely the bicycles will rule the road and everywhere in Singapore which look like ‘road’.
    However, I’ll continue to walk and drive. I’ll not give way to cyclist on pavement. If I have to fight to make a stand, I’ll do it! I’ll not pity nor even bother if there are news regarding cyclist death due to accident. Cycle at your own risk! You should be well aware what is going to happen if mishap happen regardless accident or not. You get what you pay for and for using the road free does come with a price.

    Any friend of mine who read this, I’m sorry but please take care. You only live once!

  28. Ron said

    Quite simple really. Paint an orange, luminescent strip about 1 M wide along the road which have multiple lanes or certain country-side roads. All vehicles on that lane must slow down and give way to cyclists. Cyclists who venture beyond the painted strip do so at their own risk.

    All cyclists must cycle in single file and if they need to overtake, they can venture beyond the line when it is safe to do so.

  29. Noob said

    Seriously Singapore roads are not for cyclist ….. period …..

    must remember the lorry drivers are Singapore Ah Pek , Malaysia Road Rager , Blanga unlimited FWs and PRC Chiongster … you think the cyclists got a chance ?

  30. drumdem said

    What the hell! That boy lane change without checking blind spot. Never put out his hand to the right to signal and then knock down by that innocent driver. Some more put on ear piece to listen music. You blame the driver? From the video, at the point of time, how to step on brakes?

  31. Ping said

    Many of these mother fucking cyclists are simply inconsiderate bastards! Never observe traffic rules but expect other to give ways to them. Should knock more of these obnoxious assholes to hell!

    • Ben said

      Would you wish for the same if someone close to you is a cyclist? Wishing that someone get knocked down and die? How terrible is that!

      • Jenny said

        Don’t change the subject, u know very well that cyclist never obeys any traffic rules and blame others for the deaths cause solely by themselves.

      • nationalist said

        The worse thing of all is when I see cyclists on ther bloody IPod!!! Another selfish behaviour!

      • MrBenCai(Ben) said

        Jenny, not changing the topic, but I think you should reflect. Someone’s husband, father, brother and son just died because of some driver who fell asleep while driving and you are here hoping for more to join him. There are many, I agree, the police should do something about it. But in the meanwhile, stop taking the law into your own hands and bully the other cyclists who obey the law on the roads, not saying that you are, but trying to tell you not to.

  32. Dan said

    Cyclists should be ashamed for capitalizing on the death of another cyclist to ask for their own selfish wishes.

    • Ben said

      So you suggest that we keep quiet and wait for more death to occur?

    • MrBenCai(Ben) said

      Sorry, but you have no right to do that. Like I have said, it is not just a hobby. My cycling trip saves me time, money and keeps me fit, there is no substitute for that. I don’t have to squeeze with people on the train and bus as well. Anyway, i am not trying to quarrel with you, I think it is pointless. But I am just trying to let you know that not all cyclist are like that and there is absolutely nothing wrong with cycling on the roads.

  33. wth.com said

    i just will say, u try to drive along from upper thomson to mandai to kranji and neo tiew for the writer on a weekend and get how it feels. we r not on a getaway or what. big lorries are earning their pay and pple are trying to get to work and unlike you pple who r so free to cycle on weekends. you poses more as a hazard.

  34. Common said

    COE and road tax for bicycles? HAha!
    so does this mean that when you buy a bicycle for your kids, are you willing to pay for bicycle COE and road tax too?
    if bicycle need a license does that mean that your kid should enroll to the driving school and their parents should pay fees for each lesson?
    common people, please talk some common sense and not let your emotion take control over you. (it makes you look stupid to implement such rules without thinking)

    I think the more effective way(might not be the best) is by having a dedicated bicycle lane on the road and cyclist should follow the traffic rules also.
    if singapore is considered as the world’s richest country, i’m sure the gov can widen the road by another 1.8m for cyclist.
    Having some what similar to a bus lane. if motorist or drivers drive on that lane just to skip the traffic jam queue they would have a demerit point,
    its the same rule like driving on a road shoulder.(i’m sure there are some A**holes that overtake vehicles during a traffic jam by driving on the road shoulder)

    if we all can’t play fair, then i would suggest that every road users should install camera(s) on their vehicle for proofing purposes.

  35. salapow said

    There’re cases where motorist tried to avoid “reckless” cyclist and cause accident with other. And they just cycle happily away like nothing happen. Damn!

  36. Amaze said

    We drivers say: Make it an offense for d cyclists not giving way to pedestrians on pavement, especially d old folks, pregnant women n baby pram, anyhow dash across d traffic junction, markets, coffee shops, void decks and d list go on n on. Lol. Cyclists n drivers are to look out for each others. It is about mutual road courtesy, respect n consideration. Even if d gorvernment agrees to draw d 1.5 m line on roads just for d cyclists, but how r they going to draw it next to d bus lane n taxi stand? If they ride outside d desinated yellow lines, we drivers must take their pictures and send it to LTA. A practica approach is for them to pool d money to build d cycle theme stadium. They can do racing inside d stadium safely.

  37. Ian Huang said

    Until the day that cyclists are required to abide by the same traffic laws as all other motorists, they should not be given any special privileges. Right now, cyclists stand in a grey area where traffic laws are concerned, the use of their bicycles are poorly/ rarely regulated/enforced.

    Motorists, if caught beating a red light are swiftly dealt with swiftly in a strict manner, same goes for having to put on a seat belt, having to meet certain prerequisites before issued a valid driving license and etc. I have met on many occasions where cyclists decide to cross a red light, or worse, riding from a pedestrian walkway onto the roads, sometimes even at a zebra crossing.

    Example 1: The whole premise for how a zebra crossing works is this, a motorists take a second, maybe 2, if you are extra careful, 3 seconds to check on either sides of the road to see if there is a pedestrian that intends to cross the road, at which point the motorist slows down or stops to give way. If a cyclist approaches the zebra crossing from 10 to 20 meters away, it would be very difficult to notice or anticipate their approach.

    Example 2: A cyclist is not trained or taught to check his/her blind spots (for a cyclist, there are more blind spots due to the lack of rear view mirrors), neither are they taught to be wary of a motorists blind spots, nor given any training to indicate their intention to make any changes to their course (which makes them very unpredictable). So, should a cyclist decide to veer of course into the path of a vehicle, or into the blind spot of a large vehicle (the bus lane, where most of them can be found), would it be fair to penalize the motorist that collides with them or vice versa?

    I am not against the existence of cyclists on the roads, but until the day the authorities find a way to regulate or govern their behavior on the roads, each cyclist should know where they stand every time they get on the roads with other motorists; that it is a risky business. I have seen cyclists who are careful and take extra steps to ensure their own and our safety, but these riders are really few and far between.

  38. tan jh said

    i think its time to start thinking about bike friendly traffic…. local travels can reduce alot of the problems we have now… its clean and cheap

  39. w said

    I HATE cyclists on the road. A nusiance!

  40. Cyclists buzz off! said

    Looks like cyclists are getting militant. Higher penalties for drivers when there aren’t even any penalties or enforement against cyclists?
    1.5m metre clearance equals an entire lane. Traffic, that is already slow, will be slowed further. Than the LTA will step in to say speeds have fallen below the threshhold – and up goes the ERP gantries.

    What BULLSHIT. Stay off the roads!

  41. sweetbean said

    “Some cyclists are of the view that they have the right of way on the road and expect other motorists to give way to them” – really? Why?

  42. joe said

    I am a cab driver. The way cyclists ride the bike in our road is getting bossy since the new rule about the 1.5m width. The cyclist had to do their part as they do not have a side mirror in the bicycle. Be careful cyclists. Life is priceless.

  43. Singaporean said

    I also feel sad for the cyclist that die on the road also, but did the other cyclist or the person who complain,
    check how many motorist died on the road each year or not. Don’t just talk like a shit. Then should we all ban
    all the whole world not to drive, just because only die one more cyclist die, you want people to pay for the prices.
    You think your life so high prices mai. WAF MAN. You guy did pay any thing and still want to talk so loud.
    Go home and cry la. Or you go for election la and be the PM la. so you can do any thing you want lor.
    You can ban all Singapore should had no motor car, lorry and bus la. PAN. I don’t know why Singapore
    got this types of FK people that had no brain and selfishness.That why even oversea people also don’t
    like Singaporean, Just because Singapore got this types of people.

  44. Jay said

    A cyclist’s lane is not practical in Singapore. Our roads are already so congested throughout the day, designating a lane just for cyclist is simply not practical. In addition, cyclists also generally form a small minority of road users, thus not allowing productive use of such lanes, if designated.

    In addition, unless necessary, cyclists should never cycle on the road at all times. Singapore is well connected by public transport, and therefore cyclists should try to use such modes of transport than cycle. In addition, it would not be fair to simply penalise the motorist, but not regulate the behaviour of the cyclist. As cyclists have also flouted many common offences, such as cycling across pedestrian crossing, instead of getting down from the bike, and walk across.

    To sum it up, actually cycling enthusiasts should sometimes use your common sense when deciding to cycle on Singapore roads. Obviously, with such congested roads, and lorries sharing the left lanes, it’s very risky to cycle for an extended stretch of our roads. Hence, go to a cycling track. Use some common sense.🙂

  45. Mave said

    ohhh i see ….paying road tax ,erp and coe …etc got the right to say or i mean can kill people on the road…there’s alway a black sheep in it…..i’m driving too but sometime i do cycle….you driver should learn how to cycle before you all say anything with all the fff??? singapore now are becoming worst..

  46. Lim said

    Does the bicycle riders know the basic road manners.

    Now without a proper cycling lane, we see bicycle riders cycling side by side taking up half a lane. We see riders going against the traffic flow. We see riders beating the red light and I had to brake for them. Some of them even don’t bother to dress properly for their own safety.

    If pap government really so stupid to take in this selfish person suggestion, I will sell my car and take public transport and work oversea.

  47. Francischuangli said

    In the first place, many cyclist and motor cyclist are not observing the rules of the traffic when they ride. It is unfair to point the finger all the time at the motorist.

  48. Jenny said

    So we must give way to cyclists in the already congested roads? Fuck off the road is what those selfish cyclists needs to do!

  49. Lam said

    Firstly, Cyclists are not to be allowed on the roads where MOTOR vehicles are to be. They are not allowed on pavements where People are walking. Thus the cyclists should do themselves a favour by riding safely and dunn take anything for granted. It is bad enough we have some irresponsible drivers. We do not need irresponsible cyclists. All of us should stop whining…..

  50. denzuko1 said

    Instead of penalising the motorist for accidents involving cyclist, why not require cyclist to get driving licence for use on road instead?

    I have seen my fair share of irresponsible cyclists who will just zoom across the pedestrian crossings (traffic lights, zebra crossings, etc) like they own the road, they have the slightest idea that the speed gives very little time for motorists to react. They obviously also do not know that it is illegal to ride across the pedestrian crossings. Tampines st 11 has witness many ocassions when police were stationed there to catch cyclist in their act and yet to no avail.

    Motorist do not share the roads with motocyclist? Obvious this person does not own a motorcycle and do not understand the law! If he drives on the road, he wil realise that most motorcyclist love riding on the divider which allows them to avoid the packed traffic on the road, but this is also illegal and if they are involved in an accident as a result, they will be the one who is penalised! No car wil honk at a motorcyclist if the motorcycle is moving right in front of the car.

    The writer is absolutely brainless in coming out with this suggestion and try to make motorist the devil when the cyclists are the one creating the havok,

  51. Motorist A said

    Seriously, how should motorists driving on the left-most lane leave enough leeway for the cyclists while not encroaching on the next lane? The maths just do not add up. It is such a common sight nowadays that motorists endanger self and others while swerving dangerously to the right – just to protect the damned cyclists. The worst affected are bus drivers who not only have less freedom of lane-switching but are often made the scapegoats of poor policy when accidents happen.
    Until the authorities come to their senses and build designated cycling lanes, cyclists in Sg should just stay off the beaten tracks and stop being public nuisances.
    What’s disturbing is that the hordes of road-hogging fark-tards who think they look cool in shades & tight cycling jerseys are still growing. (And ya, aren’t the 2 fallen SLA guys part of them ? ) There’re a thousand ways to keep fit. Go cycle at East Coast, swim 500 laps/day, do MMA, Muay Thai etc. Go win an Olympic medal.
    Whatever, just stop being public nuisances.

  52. Geo said

    Make pedestrians have right of way also……good la…..then no more cars, polutions……..all vehicles have to give way to people walking all over everywhere…………perish the thot!!!

  53. demerit_ur_ family stupid said

    *Chong Chie Seng
    U stupid or wat..sg road got no adequate space for bicycle..if u want the authority to demerit point us then did u cyclist pay road tax?pay coe?pay erp?par for bicycle lot?..fcuk u bcos to own a vehicle we paid so much for it..it u pple cyclist actually are causing nuisance on the road..make life difficult for us..y not u go china,indonesia or malaysia and suggest the same way..and definitely u going to become like chipsmore..now u see,now u don’t..tat means now u alive next u gone..got it..stupid bastard suggestion..go and die!

  54. Heart said

    A set of rules and regulations to set clear understanding of right of way for all to follow, nobody should be reckless. Nobody is always right. Somehow I find the law is not so clear with RIGHT OF WAY and this lead to misunderstanding, and accidents. There must be ways to penalise and fine, pedestrians and cyclists as well for not following the rules. These bad eggs are making other motorists angry that causes unhappiness in the by both car drivers and cyclists, sometimes pedestrians are a nuisance too. I frequently drive around, and pedestrians are walking in the middle of the road waiting to be knocked down. In little India is bad.
    I think it’s unfair, once I saw a driver got jailed for knocking a pedestrian who dashed out to the road but too late to brake and got killed. Whose fault is it? This is ridiculous. If you have no intention to live a long life, don’t ride or walk recklessly on the roads, pls go find a roof to jump out of…..

  55. maipenrai said

    In the open letter by Adriane Lee to PM, he said cyclists have every right as other motorist to use the roads but this right is not recognized nor respected by motorists and even government agency LTA. I would say that the cyclists brought it onto themselves because they do not recognized, respected nor obey the rules of the road. The most common of which are dismounting to walk across pedestrian crossing and stopping at traffic light. Just yesterday at around 8pm, I saw two racers just cycled pass the red light at the pedestrian crossing along the filter lane from Jln Anak Bukit to Dunearn Road. So I am not talking about teenage or uncle cyclists here. The two could have been members from your cycling club or other cycling clubs. They were well attired with helmet, safety accessories and were expected to know and obey the traffic rules, but they failed to do so. Sorry to say that this was not a one off incident but a common sight. The cyclists just feel that bicycles are different and give them the flexibility go onto the road, pavement, and across pedestrian crossing at will without having to follow the traffic rules. They just want the cake and eat it too.

  56. maipenrai said

    Stephen Choy wrote:
    >If, only if, I had written this letter earlier, Freddy might still
    >be able to cycle with me in the next Ironman race.

    It is sad that Freddy is dead. Stephen is a little drama. It sounded as though if he had written the letter a week or a month ago, his good friend would be able to cycle with him today. Is it possible?
    Don’t be too sad. It would not have made any difference even if you have written a year ago. Also, someone wrote that the driver was sleeping right. So even if there was really a cycling lane, your friend could still be ran down.

    In ST Tue 23 Aug, Road safety group calls for shared responsibility, SRSC chairman said that the council was “very sadden and distressed” by the accident on Loyang Avenue. He didn’t say he wasn’t “very sadden and distressed” by the accident on Jurong East that occurred two days before the accident at Loyang Avenue but why didn’t he say he was also. Everybody talks about the accident at Loyang but not Jurong. Why har? Because the death of racer is sadder than ordinary folk cyclist? I wonder if the accident at Loyang Avenue did not happen, would all these open letters, call, rally by MPs and at Speakers’ Corner have taken place.

  57. CJ said

    Just yesterday, I was about to park at my block’s loading/unloading lot. And while reversing, I had my hazard light on. And checked my mirrors, blindspots and while reversing, still checking and suddenly a cyclists came from behind like nobody’s business and I had to jam-brake and I could have knocked her because they never blame their stupidity. They cycle BLINDLY and expect us to give way to them all the time!!!!! I horned at her and she started showing her unhappiness. I wound down my window and gave her a piece of my mind. And the best part, she said I didn’t signal before parking. Is she stupid? I did signal!!!!! Is she blind???? I was reversing!!!! If they can be so dumb, they should not be allowed to use the roads at all time. It’s unfair when it becomes out fault for their stupidity. Government should do an extra lane only for cyclists and they and bang one another but at the same time, pay ERP etc, just like us. So if we motorists needed to take lessons and tests, etc…they idiots need to do the same and after that yeah, pay for insurance etc. Those who reply unhappily to my comments, too bad you are really selfish!!!! Don’t bother to comment if you are one of those who are selfish!!!! We drivers look out for all sorts of motorists on the road and now cyclists to add on!!! The riders should be allowed to ride with no helmet!!!! Just like most cyclists that I have seen!!!!!

  58. roobz said

    Perhaps a measured approach would be for only “racer cyclists” or road bikes to be sold in similar fashion to motor cycles w COE, road tax etc. or alternatively, bikers that wish to cycle on roads need to have a visible licence plate of sorts. People who own such bicycles then need to go for maybe a road-cyclist specific course that teaches them defensive cycling, cycling only along the curbs and not in the center of the roads etc (ideas only). The course curriculum can be decided by the driving schools. If a cyclist is caught on the roads without such a licence plate they should be fined and / or jailed. You’ll curb irresponsible cyclists riding on the roads and also ensure that the cyclists that are on the roads have been sufficiently educated about road dangers. Car drivers may be more at ease if they see a cyclist with a licence plate knowing that they won’t do funny maneuvers on the roads. Drivers who are caught endangering the lives of such licence cyclists should be fined / given demerit points etc. But no matter what, an unenclosed mode of transport on the road will always be more in danger than that of an enclosed mode of transport, so we just have to find ways to mitigate the risks and problems faced by both parties. We are in a unique island-country. All our roads are congested unlike in most other countries where cyclists can cycle along many roads and not even see cars.

  59. lorry driver lohla said

    To all motorists,
    please spare a thought for the cyclists on the roads. Many of those who drive buses, trucks also ride a bicycle or motobike. We are the lower income group and cannot afford a car. Sometimes it is not convenient to use public transport for short trips and we cannot afford taxis. Because we drive heavy vehicles and ride a bicycle, we understand the dangers to a cyclist. Even when I am right as a driver, I will always avoid a collision because death is never a good outcome on the roads.

    Ask yourself this, what if one day your children or elderly parents made a mistake on the road, do you not hope the driver exercise goodwill to spare them a serious collision ?
    I can say this to all motorists that my friends and colleagues as heavy vehicle drivers will do our utmost to avoid a collision, simply because motorists will most likely be on the receiving end. This we will do even if we have the right of way.

    So to those motorists who have this attitude they own the roads and have a bad habit of endangering cyclists, motobike riders, you will inadvertantly be doing it to me and my fellow heavy vehicle drivers who are cyclists or motobike riders in our spare time. I am sure you understand it is only human to respond in kind.
    There are some motorists who posted here with good suggestions but there are also some who have shown they are arrogant and hopefully they will not behave like that on the roads. thank you.

  60. Jeff said

    Have any of the cyclists here seen a super tanker give way to a speed boat??? if you knows that u are small… move aside…

  61. No proper positioning in the lane! said

    No proper positioning in the lane!

    cyclist should observe the traffic rule first! Not only cyclists, many motorbike riders are not following the traffic rule. They are not suppose to overtake and stay in between the lane, they should occupy the lane properly, keep in the center of each lane!

  62. by xiaofamilies said

    by xiaofamilies

    No proper positioning in the lane!

    cyclist should observe the traffic rule first! Not only cyclists, many motorbike riders are not following the traffic rule. They are not suppose to overtake and stay in between the lane, they should occupy the lane properly, keep in the center of each lane!

  63. Jackaroo said

    Simply put, as much as I love living here. It is not as safe a place as some will have you believe. What are the stats on traffic mortality rates for cyclists here? What are the traffic mortality rates for motor bike riders? For a country that wants to be viewed as a first world nation, it does not have first world law enforcement. Unless of course, you happen to be foreign and riding on the wrong side of the road.

    When Singaporeans travel abroad and drive, what are the chances that they will either be killed or have a traffic accident over seas? Very high. Why? Because of poor driving skills. Yes, just because you can buy a car here, does not mean you are able to drive it well.

    A two pronged solution needs to be taken to solve some of these problems. First, educate drivers on proper driving techniques. Lane drifting is a no-no. Tailgating is a no-no. Driving an expensive car and not using the turn signals is a no-no. Change peoples driving habits.

    Secondly, give the traffic enforcers the ability to not fear who might be driving the car. They are the representatives of the law. Let them enforce the laws as they are meant to be. For EVERYONE to abide by.

    I used to ride my bicycle to work until I was run off the road several times by either a lorry or a bus. If you happen to be a lorry driver or a bus driver, the roads are not a race course. The same goes to those of you who think you own the road and that everything around you is not your concern. Oh, for the days when TP was on every street corner ticketing tailgaters and poor drivers…

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