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PRC student: Why it is a bad decision to study in Singapore instead of going straight to U.S.

Posted by temasektimes on August 28, 2012

I would like to state the disclaimer that we are all entitled to our own opinions, and that this is merely my personal stand and does not represent that of others.

When I was in the process of transferring to the US for further studies, I obtained much needed guidance from the people on this forum and would like to firstly, thank these kind people.

I studied in Singapore for 9 years, from Primary 1 to complete (a diploma in )poly. When I managed to transfer to the US, I realised the trap that was Singapore. I should have gone straight to the US to study instead of spending all that money in Singapore, as the returns (from the US) would have been much greater.

In 2001, like many others from my homeland who pursued the popular option of studying abroad, I came to the supposedly cleanest country in the world -Singapore.

Back then, gambling was prohibited in Singapore, chicken rice cost S$2.50, a comic book cost S$0.50, EZlink cards could not buy anything and S$900 could get you a month’s rent in a 3-room flat in Ang Mo Kio. S$1500 /mth could get you a 3-room condo in Bishan Park.

Most of the time, everyone saw Singapore as a transit point, as we were afraid of the great distances of Europe & the US, and disencouraged by the different cultures there that we may not have been accustomed to. Singapore was also seen as a predominantly Chinese country, which seemed more suitable.

What the Singapore government portrayed to the world about Singapore was also rather impressive. However, the standard of living in Singapore was that of a newly developed country, and it was very stratified, such that only a small proportion of the population was in control of the majority of the nation’s wealth. Ordinary citizens would have found it difficult to have broken out of their original social classes.

The hearts of Singaporeans are as small as their island, and it is difficult to foster deep friendships. They are calculative and even take note of the borrowing of S$0.20 for a meal. Of late, they have developed a better understanding of the increasing wealth of the mainland Chinese and like mercenaries, have reached out to take advantage of newly arrived mainland Chinese, hoping to profit from them. This is what I learnt in my 2nd year here. I was deceived more than 3 times in the process of procuring home rental, and was cheated of approximately S$10,000. Two of the offending charlatans were ethnic Chinese, the other was Malay. The most hilarious thing was that all 3 locals said the same thing when I threatened to call the police, [verbatim] “You call police lar, you think what, here not China, Singapore police help Singaporeans!’ And it was indeed the case when the police told me I could sue them but they (the police) could not do much. I was only 15, 16 then.

Many people assume that a Chinese majority in Singapore equates to having family abroad but when you treat the local Chinese like family, they treat you like sh*t. In fact, the local Chinese are most guilty of discriminating against mainland Chinese. They think themselves superior, especially those from the older generation, but most have not been highly-educated. It is tragic that they descended from farmers/labourers and had to flee to Nanyang (Singapore/Malaysia) due to the war, and now look down on others.

Regarding education, the system in Singapore in undoubtedly not bad compared to the rest of Asia. If you are systematic and obedient, Singapore suits you as there is no need for creative thinking here. The system grooms mechanistic workhorses with some knowledge, with most of the working popularion having little clue about what they are really doing. If you are rather opinionated then please don’t come here, for you will find it torturous. When I was in Sec 3 I had a Chinese form teacher (from mainland China) who brought me to join a Chinese oratorical contest. It was after the contest that I realised I had been changed by this oppressive society, and had lost my opinions. My Chinese teacher also said something in passing that sparked an ephiphany, “Someone like you should have never come to a place like Singapore.”

Now, why is it that mainland Chinese students in Singapore usually top their class?

This may sound rude, but it is the brutal truth. Singaporeans are really daft. Asking a simple question elicits a bunch of puzzled looks from them, that I felt like smashing them with a book. Also, they do not see the good in others. When a mainland Chinese student gets excellent grades, they get mostly sour grape sentiments, such as the unfairness of the mainland Chinese students being older than them by a few years, etc. I may be older than my peers by a year. If I trumped them in Chinese or Maths, I would not have much to comment on, but if even someone like me can repeatedly obtain As for English, what rights do these assh*les [verbatim] have in criticising others?

More infuriatingly, when news of mainland streetwalkers rounded up by the local police hit the headlines, my sister’s teacher had the audacity to warn my sister in class to study hard and not end up like the arrested mainland streetwalkers. How dare the teacher tell a 9-year old such a patronising thing! Especially when my sister trounced the majority of Singaporeans in her studies. Many Singaporean students speak like frogs in the well when they think of Singapore as the heaven that poor Chinese escape to. Little do they know that Singaporeans themselves are even poorer than they could imagine. Yes, although many people from Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen acknowledge that Singapore is prosperous, I do not distinguish between the various cities in China, but am only stating a fact.

Singapore’s food. Despite it being a food paradise (everyone in the world self-claims to be a food paradise anyway) all the food there is bland, with lashings of soy sauce, chicken stock, bits of lard and fried into something ‘Singaporean-style’. The markets and food courts sell almost the same dishes – chicken rice, kuey teow, pork mince noodles, Hokkien noodles, Loh mee, mixed vegetables rice, etc. All this is nothing compared to the snacks of China.

I personally like chicken rice best, although I feel like vomitting after having eaten 8 years of it.

Next, an analysis with an economic perspective.

It was only after coming to the US that I realised what it really meant to be a developed country. A room cost S$700 per month in Singapore, a tiny room which does not have an ensuite toilet. For the same price in the US, you can rent a 50 sq m masterbed room. Carpeted with your own bathtub and walk-in wardrobe. Some rooms in Singapore are in fact about the same size as walk-in wardrobes in the US (Los Angele). US$1300 can get a 200+ sq m mansion with a pool in Las Vegas or Arizona.

Eating out in the US costs more (US$10/meal average). However the amount of food per serving in the US is twice that of the mixed vegetable meal you can get in Singapore. The food stall uncles in Singapore also tend to give very little meat and are very stingy about it. In contrast, in the US, they stuff the plate full with food.

I worked very hard in a 5* hotel in Singapore to earn some money part-time for a measly S$7/hour. In LA, the minimum wage is US$8/hour and tipping is compulsory (10-20% of the bill). This is entirely given to the service staff and nobody in the US declines tipping us. An 8-hour day gets you about US$64. In contrast, some restaurants in Singapore do not even allow their staff to keep the hard-earned tips they have earned.

Education costs more in the US, with most university housing costs US$50,000 a year (without a scholarship). US universities are very generous in their scholarships; you can google it to find out more. I have not applied for one so I am not sure. However, as long as I maintain a GPA of 3.6 (easily achieved in the US) application should not be an issue.

To save money, consider state colleges such as SANTA MONICA COLLEGE, PASADENA COMMUNITY COLLEGE etc, living costs start from US$25,000/year. The first 2 years of foundation courses are the same as any other colleges. You can then seek a transfer to a better college from your 3rd year onwards. This is a worthwhile investment, as the US certificate is much more valued. If you compare a certificate from University California Berkeley & National University of Singapore, which do you think will get you a better-paying job? Especially in a society such as Singapore’s, which values foreign certificates more.

You will be spending the same amount of money, working the same types of part-time jobs, so why choose Singapore? Please think carefully my dear comrades!

Some mainland Chinese overestimate the difficulties of studying in Europe and the US and see Singapore as the easy option. This is wrong. Visa application may seem complicated but you will not be rejected. The situation has improved from years ago. Europe and the US are looking to Chinese students to boost their flailing economy. If there are any (Chinese) students from Singapore wishing to transfer to the US, please look for me. I have been to the US for 2 years and can try my best to answer some of your questions.

* The above was first posted in Mandarin in a Chinese forum and translated by a reader who wishes to remain anonymous.

151 Responses to “PRC student: Why it is a bad decision to study in Singapore instead of going straight to U.S.”

  1. enough said

    what he says is quite true

    i am a singaporean and currently staying in usa

    • U Thant Mying said

      Yes, yes, Singapore is a miserable place and all he said is very true.

      Now, will all the China nationals leave since Singapore is obviously not up to your expectations.

      • KeeKee said

        hahaha

      • maximus said

        Dude i lived in singapore and now i live in china. Singapore sucks. What the guy wrote was the truth. And if you ask me why i read this bullshit TSR… its better than FML. makes me laugh.. a bunch of absolute loosers talking about absolute looserish things. Thats funny.

        I have lived almost everywhere in the world (for the daft singaporeans – Europe – France, italy, GB, Belgium, Us, Middle east… Not malaysia or thailand… Arrrgh Loosers) And never have i been to any rascist, nazi country like singapore. I lived there for 6 months.. And then left. Any loosers here commenting “good you let left… Look down and check if you have any balls or a penis.)

        Personally.. my advice.. stop talking chinese.. you guys are not worth talking or even being close to PRC. . China is way better and will always be better than Loserville singapore…

        Assholes if you have any grey matter get this… I have never once gone to forum to write a report like this for any place i have ever visited.. and i guess there are many who do.. Do you get the picture… all of you CHEAP assholes need education on behaving like humans.

      • @ Maximus,

        for someone who proclaims to be so well travelled and who seems to insinuate they are also well cultured and educated, you could at least try and spell “loser” properly. “Looser” is what happens to your trousers when you lose weight. Also when you say Singaporeans need education to behave like humans, do you mean like how China are well behaved humans watching a little girl get run over by cars over and over again? Or how you guys spike you rbaby milk poweder with poison and dangerous metals?

        No thanks dude, if that is what you consider “human” I’d rather be inhuman.

    • Rtg said

      I’m too a Singaporean who had left Singapore for 8 years. I feel the same as what you’ve mentioned. Well said. Singaporean need to explore out of sin.

    • really? said

      Someone should forward this article to the PAP. See what kinds of ingrates they have bred.

    • x said

      He’s right about one thing: “Little do they know that Singaporeans themselves are even poorer than they could imagine.”

      Singaporeans’ wealth has mostly been squandered by GIC and Temasek. Whatever is left is frozen in shitty investments like shares in Citibank or Shin Corp. Singaporeans hold very little wealth, especially after paying $600,000 for a flat worth only $40,000, but most don’t even realize it.

    • Aniko Klass said

      Agree, what he says is quite true. Singapore has become a rather nasty place to live sadly. Many locals working in the service line, do find it rather difficult to converse in simple English and gets impatient with the customers when they don’t understand. Rather then trying to improve oneself, they blame the foreigners for doing better and having better attitude and make fun of their enthusiasm in the job. This can so obviously be seen and its sad. If we really want to reduce the number of foreign talents in Singapore, the government will have to help, lower the cost of living, make it easier to survive. The reason why it may seem that the citizens are fussy with jobs is because its pointless to accept a job that pays so low that after deducting the amount spent on daily food and transport to work, there is hardly any left for livelihood. Even the cost of public housing is so high, although its being repaid by the month CPF deduction but if insufficient from the ordinary account, it will not allow the special account to cover the full difference. The government has to understand, that is OUR hard earned money too, why can’t we use it?? Same goes of the Medisave fund. Please do something our dear government. Don’t you see all the young enterprising citizens are choosing to leave the country.

  2. spotlessleopard said

    Any Sngapore citizen who can get an opportunity should study in Australia or USA….staying in Singapore is a sentence to HELL….and upon graduation stay in your host country to build your future career and consider not returning to this Hell Hole.

    • U Thant Mying said

      Can’t blame ordinary Singaporeans for our sub-standard education system.

      We are not responsible for making policy decisons on education although it is true that 60% are extremely daft for not wanting change.

      It is the elites who force this rote learning down our children because they fear critically thinking citizens would be a threat to their hold on power.

      • shienri said

        looking at primary school teachers yell at the kids and make much threatening remarks to them… Good to act dumb, then find your chance to give someone a wake-up call

      • SD said

        Singaporeans are to blame.

        Singaporeans have a chance to change their government. Do they use the chance?

        Mod’s note:

        There is no more chance now so long the ‘Wayang Party’ is not eliminated.

    • lyv2dy said

      This is sound advice for sons and daughters of citizens until there is a complete change of govt for the better.

  3. Jack said

    Is this what our ministers asking Singaporeans to integrate with? PM Lee should read this article personally.

    • Ashwin said

      Yes to integrate and get you guys some balls

    • Reality is Harsh said

      First of all, this PRC student did not write this in English. He wrote it in the Chinese forum and was translated into English by someone else. If this person feels so harsh about Singapore and their culture, then why bother to last for 9 years? If I remotely am unable to like the country I am studying in, I would leave inna heartbeat. How can you attend a good university when you cannot write an essay of this magnitude in English. This person is super hilarious… I guess he didnt manage to learn much English in Singapore huh? I am a Singaporean residing in USA for over 20 years. There will still be discrimination in the USA, actually far worse than Singapore. That person must be an idiot and not see the true issues of PRC residing in Singapore. I have been back to Singapore annually and each time I see more and more PRC in SG. Makes me sick to no end cuz I cannot stand their demeanor. They are brash and unpolished, they remind me of Singaporeans back in the 70s. My advice to PRC folks.. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

      • Y said

        He probably never meant to write it in English, or have it translated … The original post appeared in a Chinese forum that typically only PRCs residing in Singapore would go to.

  4. Ren said

    你忘了饮水思源. If not for the polishing of your mettle, would you be able to write this article today?
    Would you be able to survive in the US going direct from China back then?
    You will share your experiences like what you did in this article, after certain period of time staying there…
    The pasture is always greener on the other side of the fence…
    Wish you well in the US now. Most of my friends came back, after like 9-10 years… Maybe you like it eventually…

    • Cool said

      well said, Ren…
      忘恩负义的混蛋,if not the 9 years study in spore, u think u able to survive in USA….. That is always a good and bad ppl, look at your country, there hv good and also bad ppl there…I hv staying Shanghai for 5 year..I meet good and also bad ppl there…this is life ! I never like u put out a big post
      Talking talking talking the bad things…if u got a BIG heart than us…than
      why u talk so much now….

      • Khai meng said

        Well said, Cool. Anyway many PRC are assholes n crude n dickhead n totally brash. I don’t give a dammed about such useless piece of shit! I taught in PRC n worked there before, I got cheated n conned n treated like a moron too. But I accepted it as part of life challenges n you can find all sorts of people everywhere in the world. I got cheated in Germany n Italy too. So far only in Japan that I felt general honesty in the locals, otherwise everywhere the same for visitors. So what the fcuker wrote about Singapore maybe is true but for him to write as if there are nothing else good of Singapore then he can go fcuk himself n get his sorry yellow ass away from here. Anyway Malaysian much nicer people n we are not loser! You cock sucker!

      • Ren said

        We must all warn him when someone pops out from nowhere and shout ‘I’m the joker!’

  5. You wrote your opinion to the point. I used to have Friends from Singapore. Some of them are small minded except a dear friend named Neo Wee Sim who studied in Canada. Some Singaporeans are cheapskates and cannot hold a conversation. However, my comments do not include those who are highly educated and tolerant to other human beings. They are the nation builders and the PAP government is the BEST to manage this small city state.

    • Zhang Sun said

      Look at the mess that is China now.

      Fake milk power, fake eggs, fake………………..

      Everything is fake about China.

      While what the PRC said is true about Singapore, he is way off the mark if he thinks that PRCs are better.

      PRCs are only good at copying and making fake products.

      For a country of 1.2 billion people, it has far fewer Noble Prize winners than even Japan.

  6. Ren said

    And please go inform your fellow countrymen don’t come Singapore, go direct to whichever country they wanna go, be it for education, to find job, to migrate by investment,etc….
    By then, they will write the same kinda article you written now…

  7. Booooo boooo man said

    You are a champion! It took you soooooo damn long to even realise that there is nothing special and nothing to be proud of about Singapore! The golden era of Singapore is loooooooooooooong Gone! FOR GOOD!

  8. Shila said

    Sometimes i just simply dont understand some PRC. Want to comment so much about Singapore. You cant compare us to other foreign countries because i believe every country have their own ways… You cant expect singapore to be the same like them right? Want to share some thoughts? Not in this way please. Demoralise singapore. Look down on us. Its good that singaporeans are kind to let foreigners to be here. Unlike certain countries, they will beat or even kill foreigners… So think and talk wisely. Thanks

  9. Zam said

    Awesome…Very well said.

    Excellent writing….Appreciate it.

  10. Lim said

    Look like our education system is very successful because we can brainwash a PRC mindset into a local born sporean mindset.

    I already planning to send my kids oversea once they finish O level, the minimum school level for sporean kids.

    Please tell your fellow PRCs not to follow monkey see monkey do and flood to our small spore.

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  12. Robin Finck said

    A really damning article piece, but oh so true. I really wish our fellow Singaporeans to be more than this.

  13. jo lee said

    Quite interesting comment from a person who stayed in Singapore since Primary 1. SG govt should reduce scholarships to overseas students as these are a waste of money. Better to invest in locals.

    I do agree about living standards and education in the US compared to SG. More valuable getting a degree from good US colleges than one from NUS. The latter just churns out typical Kiasu grads with no vision and personality.

    • NUS Grad said

      Probably you can provide some example of what ‘vision’ and ‘personality’ displayed in a Singaporean with a US degree?

      Apart from the fake and irritating american accent, I don’t see any other difference. A Singaporean is always a Singaporean!

    • NUS Grad said

      Also, I dont think ‘jo lee’ had ever attended University anywhere. In University, Professors are from all over the world to teach in Lecture Halls which consist of all the students taking that module for the semester. Teaching Assistants are the students themselves to teach in smaller tutorial classes which are mostly PRC and you’ll get loads of them in USA. If you are smart enough, you’ll understand there is no difference in studying in US or Singapore except you’ll pay until bank account dries up in US.

      Oh! We’ve heard of this Stanford grad who came back and drive taxi in Singapore, yes, this is ‘vision’ and ‘personality’ like you mentioned.

  14. Chrisy said

    To each his own. You are free to make your personal observations and keep migrating to the best country that suit your purpose at the specific stage in your life. We Chinese are vagrants and opportunist.. Just like our many forefathers who came to countries like Singapore. When the US does not hold a place for you in your career after your studies, you can re-consider Singapore. As you say, the immigration policies are so easy for FT. Come, be a PR if no other country wants you. And continue to ‘feed’ on the benefits the Singapore government is prepared to dish out to you freely. End of the day, decide whether to exit when you want to retire.

  15. Henry said

    Your views are respected … there are always a few black sheep amongst the flock …

  16. The writer left out the advantage of gaining international exposer. Moreover, it is less confusing to compare the cost of living by basing your calculation on the total number of units of money an avarage garduate earns in the US, over the units he has to spend on lunch, dinner etc. Many language schools provide 9 month English course for foreign students who wish to attain English medium univerversity colleges. All those Chinese students who have completed these courses have successfully been admitted to the university colleges for their degree courses, even though they could not write a correct English sentence when they first arrived in the US. Why do you think Lee Hsien Loong went to Cambridge University?

    • Ordinary Singaporean said

      I really understand what your point is – that English preparatory courses are available for non native speakers everywhere in the US or that Lee Hsien Loong’s English wasn’t that good (hence, he took English lessons there. But Cambridge is in the UK! LHL also went to Harvard, are you referring to this institution?). Yes, there are numerous summer schools, English courses for foreigners but you got to pay, and most graduate schools (or lower) require applicants to have taken tests like TOEFL, GRE (for PhD programs) at the time of submitting their applications. If they don’t meet a certain requirement, they will still be rejected. So are you referring to the US or UK system? They are pretty distinct.

      As for Cambridge, the same (perhaps more) stringent requirements apply (except for GRE, it is a US thing). Life in Cambridge is extremely tough – not just the rigorous studies (especially if it is grad course), you got to deal with xenophobia, discrimination etc. I know because I studied in Cambridge before going to the US. Most of all, there doesn’t seem any language courses in Cambridge (or Oxford) to prepare anyone, not for the tertiary level.

      “All those Chinese students who have completed these courses have successfully been admitted to the university colleges for their degree courses, even though they could not write a correct English sentence when they first arrived in the US. ” Granted that some may acquire English faster than others, it is not a straightforward 1 or 2-year work. In the more recognized the universities (such as Ivy league), the proficiency level of English would be of the highest.

      Coming back to the PRC student’s letter, I marvel at her ability to find the time and energy to work 8 hours a day and still study. But of course, if she is referring to schools like Pasadena Community College, there is a possibility, I guess.

      She has some valid arguments, and of course, she is entitled to her opinion. But rent a 50 sq feet master room for S$700 in LA? No way! I live in LA now, unless we are talking about a different LA!

      It is great that this PRC student has found happiness now but hey, there was no need to eat 8 years of chicken rice – you can still live with dignity on a shoe-string budget (like I did 20 years ago studying in Japan when everything was exorbitantly priced there!) . Unless one demands gourmet dishes daily, and eating out weekly. You make the best of your resources.

      Singapore is not perfect (and being back for summer, I’m getting unhappier with the way things are) but which country is? So my country cheated you of money? Do PRCs don’t cheat in China? The problem with most (maybe not the author of this letter) is: Singapore is nothing but a mere springboard to going overseas. Well, the author claims it is no longer the case. Fine. At least here, we don’t need to deal with shootings, possible rape, safety issues in even seemingly peaceful neighborhoods. By sunset it could be no longer safe to walk on some of the streets in the US. My friend was robbed of his laptop at 9pm+ just outside campus.

      US is better? To each his own. But there is always a price to pay wherever you choose to go.

  17. Ben said

    i have to agree with u that most Singaporeans that i know are small minded and calculative. they put in half hearted effort into doing things and when they perform suboptimally, they blame everything and anything that can be blamed except for themselves! You should share with yr counterparts in China yr opinion so that they dun come to SG by the masses.

  18. Cute said

    I also wish I have a chance to work and stay in US. My friends who working in Europe and US all seen to have bright future. As a Singaporean, working in Singapore for more than 20 years, I have no saving at all. All we earn has been spend on children education, daily household expenses and high medical expenses needs for our old parents.

  19. WhyBother said

    I am a Singapore citizen, born, bred here. And I totally agree with his view points.

    I’ve hired many Singaporeans, and also Filipinos and other nationalities for office environment work (they are all on E Pass so they are fairly educated and skilled people). And honestly, those Singaporeans I hired are the worst lot. I would say give me a Filipino, Thai or any other nationality first and Singaporeans the last.

    The foreigners I hired are very committed, hard working, and most importantly they get the job done with least complains.
    Singaporeans are just way over-rated. Not worth the money, and certainly not worth the time to scold them. I don’t even bother anymore.
    For the same SGD 3000 (these foreigners are on E Pass), I get people who are hungry, and importantly they come with already a few years of relevant working experience. Singaporeans? SGD 3000 at most give you some fresh graduates who don’t know what they are doing, and will leave you after a few months. To employers, I say just go and hire a bunch of E Pass holders, trust me, you will get better ROI.

    And frankly, I am getting disillusioned with this country. I don’t even bother to offer “feedbacks” anymore. No point, and you all also don’t waste time.
    Don’t have to give up Singapore citizenship as this place is still good to take for a ride. Just go overseas for few years to develop your career and / or business, there’s so much opportunities out there. And no point complaining and complaining, it is not going to change things.

    2016 ? 2010 elections? pls lah, don’t waste time. Just go do your own things.

  20. Sinkaypoh said

    Haha, daft peasants in Swiss standard country, nuff said!

  21. Mao Tse Tung said

    I find nothing wrong in the article , what was written is true !

  22. Exodus said

    We have done a great disservice by stifling our people for so long. This letter should be a wake up call. We should thank the writer for his observations.

  23. you get what you give said

    I’m a local and I agree that we tend to have inflated views of ourselves and the tendency to disparage others. As for not forgoing a debt however small the amt, it is not the loss incurred that matters but the principle of not being owed what is due. The reality is that money-minded Singaporeans are on record as being one the most generous people when it comes to charitable causes.

  24. theknower said

    How come only 9 years from primary 1 to poly?
    “I studied in Singapore for 9 years, from Primary 1 to complete (a diploma in )poly.”

    • Cool said

      U are right ! U need 13 to 14 year than up to poly
      6 year pri sch, 4 year sec sch and 3 to 4 year in poly…
      PRC LIER..LIER

      • hisham76 said

        Sometimes a brilliant student with the recommendation of their teachers are exempted from continuing to the next level but instead, they are promoted 2 level above. Eg. Instead of continuing from primary 4 to Pri. 5, they goes straight to primary 6. A jump of 2 levels and so on.

        btw. I think on your comment ” PRC LIER..LIER “…It should be spelt ” PRC ..LIAR..LIAR” And that is why my friend it took you 13-14 yrs to finish your education up to Polythenic level which in my humble opinion for your case the Poly. should add one more year for you……:)

      • Cool said

        Hisham 76, if he is ‘Brilliant’ student, Why he only go to poly ??
        I guess u are PRC too….if he so good that he can jump for higher level,
        Why only go to poly and not JC ?
        So…to u PRC is LIER not LIAR…..think about it….stupid fool….
        Go back to where u come from !

    • ABC said

      the translator got it wrong… the original sentence was “从小学一直到理工学院” .. which means, “Since Primary, ALL THE WAY to poly”… the translator directly translated the chinese word “一” as “1”…

    • jf said

      The writer must be high on drugs in the US. In para 3 he/she said he started Pri 1 here. In para 8 he said he was “here for 2 years, …now 15 or 16 yrs old. His teacher was right, “You should not be in Singapore.” To him I say – keep safe and watch out for gunmen. In Singapore and China mad gunmen don’t own guns.

  25. Yharyah said

    yes, Pls post this article to as many forums as possible and warn everybody of coming to Singapore!

    if possible pls publish with all major newspaper in China.

  26. Questioner said

    If you believer everything you read online, then you ought to question your intelligence. Through my experience, there are many PRCs, due to ego, are unfortunately very enthusiastic exaggerators. The bore of their artillery arsenals can rival the circumference of mega astroids. I read with a great laugh over the original Chinese article. And fell off my chair after I recall how the PM urged Singaporeans to embrace the ‘foreigners’. Be selective, foreigners are like Singaporeans, distinguished by good and bad.

  27. Gustin Foo said

    1. “I studied in Singapore for 9 years, from Primary 1 to complete (a diploma in )poly.”

    If you had to go to poly that means you weren’t that smart to begin with.

    2. “The hearts of Singaporeans are as small as their island, and it is difficult to foster deep friendships. They are calculative and even take note of the borrowing of S$0.20 for a meal. Of late, they have developed a better understanding of the increasing wealth of the mainland Chinese and like mercenaries, have reached out to take advantage of newly arrived mainland Chinese, hoping to profit from them.”

    Funny, a Singaporean could very well have wrote the same things about PRCs. Personally, I find PRCs equally if not more selfish. They foster friendships hoping they could get something in return. They are far more calculative and ask for bigger favours if they lend you even just S$0.20. They always aim for win-lose deals, never win-win.

    3. “This is what I learnt in my 2nd year here. I was deceived more than 3 times in the process of procuring home rental, and was cheated of approximately S$10,000. ”

    You didn’t do your homework that’s why you got cheated. Locals and foreigners alike get cheated all the time. And this doesn’t happen in China at all?

    4. “They think themselves superior, especially those from the older generation, but most have not been highly-educated. It is tragic that they descended from farmers/labourers and had to flee to Nanyang (Singapore/Malaysia) due to the war, and now look down on others.”

    Er, not really. It is rather the wealthy and educated who could afford or were savvy enough to save up in order to pay their way here. In addition, new immigrants had to undergo a medical checkup which ensures that, if you believe in eugenics, only ‘good stock’ gets through.

    5. ‘Regarding education, the system in Singapore in undoubtedly not bad compared to the rest of Asia. If you are systematic and obedient, Singapore suits you as there is no need for creative thinking here. The system grooms mechanistic workhorses with some knowledge, with most of the working popularion having little clue about what they are really doing. If you are rather opinionated then please don’t come here, for you will find it torturous. When I was in Sec 3 I had a Chinese form teacher (from mainland China) who brought me to join a Chinese oratorical contest. It was after the contest that I realised I had been changed by this oppressive society, and had lost my opinions. My Chinese teacher also said something in passing that sparked an ephiphany, “Someone like you should have never come to a place like Singapore.”’

    Then schools in China do a better job in promoting critical and creative thinking? No doubt you have a point, Singaporean public education needs reform but I can tell you US schools are far worse. Sure, they promote free thinking and speech but US kids graduate from high school knowing nothing. I’ve met freshmen University of California engineering students who can’t recall the trigonometric ratios or the multiplication table from 6x onwards. I am not making this up. Besides, why is it that several US universities want to open or have opened campuses in Singapore since Singaporean kids are so ‘daft’?

    6. “Singapore’s food. Despite it being a food paradise (everyone in the world self-claims to be a food paradise anyway) all the food there is bland, with lashings of soy sauce, chicken stock, bits of lard and fried into something ‘Singaporean-style’. The markets and food courts sell almost the same dishes – chicken rice, kuey teow, pork mince noodles, Hokkien noodles, Loh mee, mixed vegetables rice, etc. All this is nothing compared to the snacks of china”

    Maybe the snacks of China taste better because they’ve got more lead and formalin in them.

    7. The US ranks lowest among developed nations by any standard. Watch the first several minutes of The Newsroom.

    8. “To save money, consider state colleges such as SANTA MONICA COLLEGE, PASADENA COMMUNITY COLLEGE etc, living costs start from US$25,000/year. The first 2 years of foundation courses are the same as any other colleges. You can then seek a transfer to a better college from your 3rd year onwards. This is a worthwhile investment, as the US certificate is much more valued. If you compare a certificate from University California Berkeley & National University of Singapore, which do you think will get you a better-paying job? Especially in a society such as Singapore’s, which values foreign certificates more.”

    Yes, tuition fees of US community colleges are dirt cheap even for internationals. But the vast majority of international students don’t get to transfer until their third or fourth or (God forbid) their fifth year. They get stuck doing English remedial classes. And of course, longer time spent in the US = more $$$ spent (food, rent, living costs, etc).

    Actually, Singaporean employers tend to be suspicious of foreign certs because of relative unfamiliarity. They value NUS certs more because they KNOW the standards high. US certs on the other hand, even those awarded by good US universities, do not necessarily guarantee the quality of the cert holder as the grading and admission system is very subjective. E.g. dumb athletes can get into Berkeley simply because they can throw a ball well, professors can award ‘extra credit’ to pass an idiot he happens to like.

    Seems to me you are just another spoilt only-child PRC who whines and cry when he can’t get his way. Instead of thanking Singapore for granting you a scholarship to study from Primary 1 to Poly and getting you where you are now (the, oh so great, US of A), you blame the country for failures completely of your own making.

    • Mark said

      Hahaha… well rebutted.

    • singaporean said

      Thank you Gustin, you took the words out of my mouth.

    • TAP said

      1. “I studied in Singapore for 9 years, from Primary 1 to complete (a diploma in )poly.”

      – If you had to go to poly that means you weren’t that smart to begin with.

      — I have the opinion that the Singapore education system favours certain types of students. Also, Sim Wong Hoo went to poly, Do you think he is not smart?

      2. “The hearts of Singaporeans are as small as their island, and it is difficult to foster deep friendships. They are calculative and even take note of the borrowing of S$0.20 for a meal. Of late, they have developed a better understanding of the increasing wealth of the mainland Chinese and like mercenaries, have reached out to take advantage of newly arrived mainland Chinese, hoping to profit from them.”

      – Funny, a Singaporean could very well have wrote the same things about PRCs. Personally, I find PRCs equally if not more selfish. They foster friendships hoping they could get something in return. They are far more calculative and ask for bigger favours if they lend you even just S$0.20. They always aim for win-lose deals, never win-win.

      — Not all Singaporeans or PRCs are selfish or calculative. I know some good PRCs and Singaporeans and some not-so-good PRCs and Singaporeans.

      3. “This is what I learnt in my 2nd year here. I was deceived more than 3 times in the process of procuring home rental, and was cheated of approximately S$10,000. ”

      – You didn’t do your homework that’s why you got cheated. Locals and foreigners alike get cheated all the time. And this doesn’t happen in China at all?

      — I think many foreigners often hear about how Singapore is a place with strong laws and little crime and do not expect to be cheated. In my opinion the property agents in Singapore do not enjoy a good reputation. I blame it on lack of regulations and law enforcement.

      4. “They think themselves superior, especially those from the older generation, but most have not been highly-educated. It is tragic that they descended from farmers/labourers and had to flee to Nanyang (Singapore/Malaysia) due to the war, and now look down on others.”

      – Er, not really. It is rather the wealthy and educated who could afford or were savvy enough to save up in order to pay their way here. In addition, new immigrants had to undergo a medical checkup which ensures that, if you believe in eugenics, only ‘good stock’ gets through.

      — Errmmmm… from my own experience, most people who think they are ‘superior’ to others think that way because of various reasons, more wealth, went to better school, has a designer bag, has a good car, lives in a condo etc. These elitist people don’t focus on PRCs specifically. Also, to me the immigration department doesn’t seem to have a perfect ‘good stock’ screening process with stories like about a cleaner receiving a PR.

      5. ‘Regarding education, the system in Singapore in undoubtedly not bad compared to the rest of Asia. If you are systematic and obedient, Singapore suits you as there is no need for creative thinking here. The system grooms mechanistic workhorses with some knowledge, with most of the working popularion having little clue about what they are really doing. If you are rather opinionated then please don’t come here, for you will find it torturous. When I was in Sec 3 I had a Chinese form teacher (from mainland China) who brought me to join a Chinese oratorical contest. It was after the contest that I realised I had been changed by this oppressive society, and had lost my opinions. My Chinese teacher also said something in passing that sparked an ephiphany, “Someone like you should have never come to a place like Singapore.”’

      – Then schools in China do a better job in promoting critical and creative thinking? No doubt you have a point, Singaporean public education needs reform but I can tell you US schools are far worse. Sure, they promote free thinking and speech but US kids graduate from high school knowing nothing. I’ve met freshmen University of California engineering students who can’t recall the trigonometric ratios or the multiplication table from 6x onwards. I am not making this up. Besides, why is it that several US universities want to open or have opened campuses in Singapore since Singaporean kids are so ‘daft’?

      — University of California enjoys a much better reputation than what you would suggest. Perhaps some freshmen knows little but I would argue that the top students are really good considering the quality of output of science from USA compared to Singapore. Besides, why would A*Star send their scholars to good universities in USA? Surely you are not implying that those people in A*Star are that dumb? Also, in the case of Yale-NUS partnership in Singapore, I read that the cost will be covered by Singapore. Not much to lose for Yale to open a campus here.

      6. “Singapore’s food. Despite it being a food paradise (everyone in the world self-claims to be a food paradise anyway) all the food there is bland, with lashings of soy sauce, chicken stock, bits of lard and fried into something ‘Singaporean-style’. The markets and food courts sell almost the same dishes – chicken rice, kuey teow, pork mince noodles, Hokkien noodles, Loh mee, mixed vegetables rice, etc. All this is nothing compared to the snacks of china”

      – Maybe the snacks of China taste better because they’ve got more lead and formalin in them.

      — I think most Singapore middle-priced restaurants are quite good but generally expensive compared to their counterparts in other countries. The hawker centre food is okay but maybe lose a little to surrounding countries in South East Asia. The prices are increasing a lot too. Food in food court is usually expensive compared to the quality, also very noisy. Yes, Singapore is a food paradise but its uniqueness and strength have weakened in the recent years.

      7. The US ranks lowest among developed nations by any standard. Watch the first several minutes of The Newsroom.

      — Go to Little India and you could think Singapore is part of India.
      Go to Geylang and you could think Singapore is part of China.
      Similarly, every country has different parts.
      Go to New York or San Francisco and you will see a nice modern city.
      Go to Mojave desert in California and you could wonder why it is similar to the Sahara in Africa.

      8. “To save money, consider state colleges such as SANTA MONICA COLLEGE, PASADENA COMMUNITY COLLEGE etc, living costs start from US$25,000/year. The first 2 years of foundation courses are the same as any other colleges. You can then seek a transfer to a better college from your 3rd year onwards. This is a worthwhile investment, as the US certificate is much more valued. If you compare a certificate from University California Berkeley & National University of Singapore, which do you think will get you a better-paying job? Especially in a society such as Singapore’s, which values foreign certificates more.”

      – Yes, tuition fees of US community colleges are dirt cheap even for internationals. But the vast majority of international students don’t get to transfer until their third or fourth or (God forbid) their fifth year. They get stuck doing English remedial classes. And of course, longer time spent in the US = more $$$ spent (food, rent, living costs, etc).

      – Actually, Singaporean employers tend to be suspicious of foreign certs because of relative unfamiliarity. They value NUS certs more because they KNOW the standards high. US certs on the other hand, even those awarded by good US universities, do not necessarily guarantee the quality of the cert holder as the grading and admission system is very subjective. E.g. dumb athletes can get into Berkeley simply because they can throw a ball well, professors can award ‘extra credit’ to pass an idiot he happens to like.

      — NUS rightly enjoys a good reputation in certain fields, but not all. Perhaps Gustin values NUS cert more than any other universities. That cannot be said about other people in Singapore. If you look at the scholarships offered every year in Singapore, the most prestigious ones are for students to study overseas.

      — it is fine to throw doubts into the grading system in other universities as a personal opinion, but NUS is not immune too. Refer to the recent allegation where a law professor allegedly give good grades to a female student in exchange for sexual favours.

      9. – Seems to me you are just another spoilt only-child PRC who whines and cry when he can’t get his way. Instead of thanking Singapore for granting you a scholarship to study from Primary 1 to Poly and getting you where you are now (the, oh so great, US of A), you blame the country for failures completely of your own making.

      — I don’t see the article like you do Gustin. I see it as opinions on Singapore from another perspective. I don’t completely agree with his opinions – nobody can say their opinions completely represent the Truth or reality in Singapore. But I appreciate reading them as the reality is clearer to me now. I encourage people like the author, and also Gustin to air their opinions for everyone to read. No one should monopolise opinions.

      My own opinion – the policymakers should find out if there are real weaknesses and work on them. Don’t shoot the messenger for the message.

      TAP

      • Gustin Foo said

        1. “If you had to go to poly that means you weren’t that smart to begin with.”

        I’ll admit that sentence didn’t come off too well so I shall rephrase it slightly: “If you had to go to poly that suggests that you probably weren’t that smart to begin with”. Sim Wong Hoo is smart, I’ll give you that. But he’s also an exceptional case. Two can play at this. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were dropouts, so does that mean dropouts are smart? I tend to think these exceptional individuals have succeeded DESPITE their education (or lack of) rather than BECAUSE of their education. Having said all that, we’ve got to stop throwing freak cases around and pretend they’re enough to justify rejection of a general rule. Nearly every generalisation can be objected to on the grounds that you can think of exceptions.

        2. I meant to show that there are bad people everywhere and the same criticisms can go both ways. I think we both agree on that. Being selfish, calculative and “giam siap” are infamous Chinese traits anyway. They could apply to people from both Singapore and China.

        3. ” I think many foreigners often hear about how Singapore is a place with strong laws and little crime and do not expect to be cheated. In my opinion the property agents in Singapore do not enjoy a good reputation. I blame it on lack of regulations and law enforcement.”

        Property agents do not enjoy a good reputation anywhere in the world. It’s your job to inform yourself, failing which you risk getting cheated regardless whether you live in Singapore or not. No amount of regulation or law enforcement can guard against carelessness. “Low crime doesn’t mean no crime!”

        5. “University of California enjoys a much better reputation than what you would suggest. Perhaps some freshmen knows little but I would argue that the top students are really good considering the quality of output of science from USA compared to Singapore. Besides, why would A*Star send their scholars to good universities in USA? Surely you are not implying that those people in A*Star are that dumb? Also, in the case of Yale-NUS partnership in Singapore, I read that the cost will be covered by Singapore. Not much to lose for Yale to open a campus here.”

        I wasn’t making a case against US universities, I was making a case against US high schools. And I wasn’t suggesting UC students are dumb, I was suggesting high school graduates know nothing. Knowing nothing and being dumb are two very different things. A*Star scholars are obviously very smart AND they know a lot. I have no doubts that the rigorous English medium education they received in Singapore will give them a tremendous headstart. Same goes for the PRC author. However, many of them will have problems adjusting to the free and open-ended US system. It is in this sense then I think he’s right. Then again, many Singaporean students overseas come up top too.

        I would in turn argue that the main contributors of America’s scientific dominance are not top students in US undergraduate programmes but rather those doing post-graduate research, a great deal of whom are foreign-borns with non-US bachelor degrees.

        6. My comment was tongue-in-cheek and I can’t be bothered to argue against something so subjective as one’s taste in food.

        8. “it is fine to throw doubts into the grading system in other universities as a personal opinion, but NUS is not immune too. Refer to the recent allegation where a law professor allegedly give good grades to a female student in exchange for sexual favours.”

        Again, freak case alert. You could argue my examples were freak cases as well but they’re not. They’re standard practice in US universities.

        9. “Don’t shoot the messenger for the message.”

        I think the shoot-the-messenger sin only applies when one uses outright ad hominem attacks. I hope I haven’t.

    • Bai Hu said

      YES!!! Totally agree with u. PRCs don’t cheat? Look at the Shuzhou Industrial Park. Even our so-called smartest Singaporean man LEE Kuan Yew also got cheated by PRCs. So who is more formidable in cheating?

    • Good points said

      Great job, Gustin. So very true!

    • Singaporean too said

      Good stuff. Thank you.

    • BigBodek said

      Well done Gustin, nicely rebutted.

    • Some Passerby said

      First of all, I am not supporting the author’s view but I mostly agree to it.

      As for your rebuttal, you should read the original article in the forum before doing so, you sound like typical small-minded Singaporean mentioned in the article…

      1. “If you had to go to poly that means you weren’t that smart to begin with.”
      Here’s the original reply by author in the forum:
      只有考不上JC的才去POLY??考得好的就不能去POLY???您这思想非常“新加坡啊”??

      您与世界脱轨了,5个POLY随便去问,里面考得进JC的多了去了好不好。

      2. “Funny, a Singaporean could very well have wrote the same things about PRCs. Personally, I find PRCs equally if not more selfish. They foster friendships hoping they could get something in return. They are far more calculative and ask for bigger favours if they lend you even just S$0.20. They always aim for win-lose deals, never win-win.”

      Author never say PRC is much better than Singapore. Saying that PRC is equally selfish doesn’t mean that Singaporean is any better. Although personally I don’t totally agree on that point by author.

      3. “You didn’t do your homework that’s why you got cheated. Locals and foreigners alike get cheated all the time. And this doesn’t happen in China at all?”

      Again, what’s your point? It is ok for these since it also happened in China??

      4. “Er, not really. It is rather the wealthy and educated who could afford or were savvy enough to save up in order to pay their way here. In addition, new immigrants had to undergo a medical checkup which ensures that, if you believe in eugenics, only ‘good stock’ gets through.”

      That’s why author say Singaporean think that they are more superior to others. Fully reflected in your comment but in denial. (I am not saying that it is wrong to rebut, but rebut only for the sake of it is pointless)

      Ok, my point is, why can’t we take critical comments? Most of what the author said is truth (although some are lost in translation).

      • Gustin Foo said

        For the record, I’m Malaysian and I’m not an FT nor do I live in Singapore. Far from being ‘small-minded’, I consider myself a ‘big-minded’ person. So big, in fact, that I keep myself abreast with world news even ‘small’ Singapore news. Is that ‘big’ enough for you? You presumptuous schmuck.

        As for your rebuttal-of-a-rebuttal:

        1. Okay, fair enough. Perhaps, he chose to go to a poly because he planned to transfer to a US university from the start. But why then didn’t he take the SAT and applied directly, or as he recommended, enrol in a community college (where he’d need only O-levels)? Further, I should note that while there are always exceptions, you can’t deny an overwhelming majority of good students will take JC over poly anytime as there’s still a stigma attached to being a poly student.

        2. I never said Singaporeans are better. I meant to show that there are bad people everywhere and the same criticisms can go both ways. You said yourself you don’t agree with him on this point entirely, so what are you quibbling about? Is it because you want to “rebut[t] only for the sake of it”? Oops!

        3. My point is exactly just that: he didn’t do his homework. It wasn’t fraud and that was why the police refused to do anything. The police can only do so much but it is your job to keep yourself well-informed. And a ‘smart’ guy like him could have learnt his lesson the first time. Instead he went on to get himself cheated three times no less. Doesn’t sound very smart to me.

        4. “That’s why author say Singaporean think that they are more superior to others. Fully reflected in your comment but in denial.”

        Huh? He never mentioned why Singaporeans think they are superior to others but rather Singaporeans think they’re superior despite being inferior “peasants/labourers”. I was merely refuting him on this.

        Actually, I’m pretty sure most of us, Singaporean or not, can take critical comments. We just don’t take critical comments based entirely on a disillusioned crybaby’s own anecdotes and meandering bad experiences.

  28. 1967 said

    I am a Singaporean ,he speak out my mind i agreeded ,blame the PAP for self centered and cover up news and arrogant,shit gov develop shit soul of nation .thank for ur real speak out and i believe shit is floating up more now ,i do not mind to clear all the shit but i am laughing at the PAP and those idiot supporter of PAP that giving wrong signal to the gov just because they benefit little or maybe more from the policies suits .wake up PAP regiment only LKY knows how to moderate his systems .what is left to the late PAP are karma .

  29. Safe Haven said

    Morale of the story – PLEASE don’t use Singapore as a stepping stone to the West. It is a f**k type country to live here.

  30. Helena said

    True..true..Singapore is no haven, not a place for droves to flock here. Please do not destroy your lives by coming here.

  31. Free Trolley said

    Total agreement with this PRC student

  32. who set the system? blame the party? said

    You are quite, but who set the education system? Who set the standard of living?
    Obviously it is government. So do not blame Singaporeans, but ……..the system set by the government.

    • sab said

      Who put the gov in place? Who keeps quiet all the time?
      Only now are we making (some) noise.

      • hisham76 said

        Yes, thank you for the internet, Singaporean have become wiser due to the alternative information we get on the website, instead of just relying on one side reporting or sometimes no reporting at all in the local media.

  33. Hoppingby said

    Dear PRC Student:

    Like you.. I am one of the early migrants that moved to Singapore fr HK in the 1990s.. nicely integrated.. sound and behave like a true blue singaporean.. Here’s my view on your article~

    1) Cost of renting a flat – When my parents and I first came to Spore, we were showed around by property agents. We took time to read up newspapers and did our own comparisons before renting a flat. If you had done your backgrounds checks properly, you wont hv this chance to be cheated. Saying that you are conned by Singaporeans isnt fair.. ‘coz regardless where you are.. if you are lazy to chk, be prepared of the possibility to be cheated. China, USA or any countries alike. Conmen are from all nationalities!

    2) Yes, I do meet some really calculative people around who insist to divide the bill to the very last cent… But i did meet some gd neighbours who offered to look after me while my parents are at work.. Treat others like how you want to be treated goes a long way.

    3) Education – Guilty as charged.. When i was in my primary sch days.. I was one of those who booed and mocked whenever foreigners get higher marks in school.. and our education system do kill creativity.. but I am thankful that it also gave me the privilege to be well versed in chinese, english, hokkien teochew and a rojak of Singlish! Unlike my cousins who migrated to the states who cant string tgt a proper Chinese sentence nw.. I can still tok to my relatives in HK and i am definitely grateful for that~

    4) Food – it’s a matter of perspective isn’t it? We might not have a huge variety of food.. but we could easily be one country where food of many ethnics are easily available.. where else can u easily find thai jap chinese indian malay western food all rojaked into the same hawker centre?

    5) Wages and rental – Wages is proportionate to your cost of living isnt it? you pay more for your expenses, you need to be paid more~ as for the cost of rental… compare the size of US to Singapore… if supply of land is scarce, be prepared to pay more for per square meter of the place u are staying.. I would be thankful that even if I stay in the West of Singapore.. all i need is approximately one hour to find my friend in Pasir Ris (if our SMRT cooperates!)

    As for resentment towards the PRCs… personally i dont resent all of you.. But for the ones I do dislike… why not for once, stop sounding and behaving like a million bucks like how this one sound in this article? Maybe… Maybe… we might be less resentful

  34. It’s quite funny. I’ve done business in china for 10 years and they’re pretty much the same way the chinese describes singaporeans. Every country has the same type of people because humans are humans -_-

  35. emigrate said

    I have to agree with this guy man……Sillyporeans are sore losers…..instead of complaining…the way to a better life is to work hard and smart…but majority of Sillyporeans are lazy or can’t think far…then again….it would be fair for them to blame the education system.
    Why can’t Sillyporeans be more like Charles & Keith….2 brothers from AMK who worked hard and are now filty rich….there are so many Sillyporeans who have made good and yet the majority of the followers just remain that…followers…look at Sim Wong Hoo…so many others…sigh

    • Poon said

      Let me guess…you’re one of those tail-wagging and tongue-splurging dogs from the land known as the sick-man of Asia right?

  36. Overseas Singaporean said

    I had a PRC classmate in P6 and I was never jealous of him for scoring top grades in my class. Instead, that difference between us spurred me on to study harder, and eventually for PSLE, I was able to score on par with him. Stop making you and your race out as some sort of intellectual specimen. It’s precisely this rotten attribute of yours that caused plenty of countries around the world treat your kind as the lowest lifeforms. When I introduce myself to a new foreign friend, I’d make it clear that I’m a SINGAPOREAN Chinese, because just saying Chinese alone elicits a negative response. If you’re so good as you say so, you wouldn’t need to migrate to any other part of the world, and should stay put in your country to be a part of its development.

    But yes, when I entered university, I was a little bitter. Not so much of sour grapes, but anger at our government for putting us in a rat race which stifles creativity for the sake of grades. Despite firmly knowing my eventual career choice when I graduate, I had to go through the Singapore education system and learned practically useless stuff in Primary and Secondary school, not to mention 2 years of wasted time in NS stunting our intellectual growth, whereas my foreign peers received streamlined education without disruptions. It’s no-brainer who would score well in the exams. But that doesn’t make you smarter. Given the same conditioning and opportunities, I believe we ‘daft’ Singaporeans will kick you in the butt.

  37. lima said

    First of all if you bother to read the original article (in Mandarin), you will find that the tone was completely different.

    It is a translated article to start with, and without doubt a large part of what the author meant in the original piece has been twisted.

    Secondly there were some good points from what the original author said, and in fact there are a lot of jerks among the real estate agents in Singapore. Most people who have rented flats/rooms in Singapore should know – the agents tend to take advantage of everyone (including Singaporeans), but more so of foreigners. And do not forget that the author was only 15/16 when cheated by those agents – imagine your own kids to be so treated in China or India.

    For those commentators who don’t like Singapore to be criticized by foreigners (ie, Chinese or Indian, etc), I think they should know that such opinion is almost irrelevant. China and India are catching up with Singapore in many fields, whether you like it or not. Singapore will only lose, and not benefit, if no more Chinese/Indian/Vietnamese come any more.

    Lastly I want to say that Temasek Times always has an anti-PRC agenda and it is well known not only among the media here in Singapore but also within the government. The only reason that no extra measure has been taken towards TT is that: it is best is to let Temasek Times post/throw out whatever they feel like, and more and more the reasonable Singaporeans will understand the quality of this forum and the editors.

    Mod’s note:

    TT is never anti-PRC or anti anybody. It is simply a forum for Singaporeans to air their views. That’s all and it’s pretty mild compared to some other radical sites which have emerged lately.

    • jf said

      Lima, don’t be fooled by the writer. He/she was here for Pri 1. Where is study mama….. not free?
      Must be high on drugs in the USA.

      • Some Passerby said

        Lost in translation from the original article. Original article only mentioned from Primary to Poly, didn’t specify which year in Primary school.

    • Robin Finck said

      And it is widely known that TT is full of bull.

    • Goh Tong Seng said

      @Mod,
      And where are those radical sites? How come I never heard of them?

    • lima said

      My reply to TT:

      1 Example: can you please advise how you know that the woman is from PRC? https://temasektimes.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/photo-prc-woman-sleeping-in-mrt-station/

      This is just one of the examples on TT’s prejudicial bias towards PRC-ers. At the end of the day, you need to realize that prejudice does not do anyone any good, and only hurts Singapore. A most recent example is the local born Singaporean who complains to the minister about another Singapore Indian (I believe most people know what I am talking about, but as you can see here, the big problem we have here is not between PRC and Singapore, but among Singapore citizens).

      It is not easy for Singapore to achieve today’s status of racial harmony, and it could be ruined easily by casual, irresponsible and malicious comments or messages such as posted on TT. By expressing or inviting prejudicial hatred toward any country (ie, PRC or India), TT is not doing any favor to any Singaporean, but only make the matter worse.

      Let’s not forget that there are 200,000 Singaporeans working and living overseas today. If you have never left Singapore to live or study in a foreign country, then you probably should go out to widen your horizon and mindset. We are living in a world of globalization and foreign people (labor, talents or skilled professionals) are needed, and will continue to come to Singapore, just like more and more Singaporeans will go to other countries. Singapore will lose a lot if more people blindly follow the mentality of “blaming the foreigner, or complaining about the government for my personal failure”.

    • TT is anti-WP! said

      TT and the mod is also anti-WP. Right? Ha ha ha

  38. Mai Ah ne la said

    hey! thank you for the post.
    I think the garment appreciate your feedback on behalve of her fellow singaporean.

  39. KC said

    I agree even thugh not totally (at least 90%) with what this article relates. They are right and that is the reason why Singapore government knows that they need to give out scholarships to attract them here. Going tothe likes of Europe and US is certaily a better choice if you can afford it…for those who cannot, you need to change the government to change the system…that is all that you are left to do…..good luck…be heard…that is so important.

  40. Jin & Tonic said

    Couldn’t have written this better myself. To all my fellow countrymen who are thinking about slating the author, please take a deep breath and read his words again, because they are very true. My wife is a Japanese national, and she has the exact same sentiments as the author.

    As it is, I am a Singaporean and it is in our nature to complain (without action). I hope that someone in PAP is reading this.

    I’ve studied and worked in the States and Europe for 12 years, and have just returned to these island shores for good. What he’s said has hit home real hard. This is not the same country that I remember in 2000, let alone the 80s and 90s. Housing and car costs are now sky high, the trains, buses, expressways and shopping malls are jam packed, and our government is seemingly suffering from a disconcerting combination of hubris and paralysis. More on this later.

    Home is where the heart is, but this heart has gotten very heavy as it has not been easy for my wife to get a job. She has an Advanced Degree in Biochemistry, but has been finding it very difficult get a job in the biotech and pharmaceutical industry. As we have found out to our surprise and frustration, recent changes in the immigration policies have seemingly made it detrimental for Singapore male citizens to marry a foreign spouse. Getting a PR is key to getting a job, which in turns brings is key in getting CPF benefits that can help with the financing of an apartment. This has a knock over effect when it comes to children, because no roof over our heads equates to no children in the playground. Double income households are now a necessity for couples to start and maintain a family.

    On the flip side, there seems to be several loopholes in the immigration and housing policies which make it beneficial for female Singapore citizens to marry a foreign spouse of Caucasian descent. There is a HDB policy whereby each neighborhood has a fixed percentage of races and nationalities proportioned to it. Caucasian males with SIngapore female spouses are given a small percentage of this pie. I have got nothing against Caucasians with regards to this, but I would like an explanation from our Government.

    Which is what I fear most, our Government. I have not yet had the chance to cast my ballot during election, but PAP has yet to win over my vote.

    I would love for our Government and its leaders to come out and sincerely tell us all that they have royally screwed up the whole thing, and should not have based everything on a constant and high economic growth, because there is so much more to nation building than just the GDP. We may have the world’s highest GDP per capita, but the income gap has been steadily widening, as can be seen from our Gini coefficient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality).

    Amongst the developed countries, we sit on the very top (http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/Story/A1Story20111225-318131/2.html). This is very sobering indeed.

    I would also love for our Government to take a step back from this neck breaking progress that they’re pushing through, listen to the people, engage in meaningful dialogue, seek a consensus, and then move forward with a well thought out and sustainably paced plan.

    But I fear that this will not happen because of the makeup of our governing elite. It is disheartening to see the numerous public gaffes, shoe in mouth comments, arrogance, and decidedly uncharismatic characters on public display. At the minimum, a public relations make-over is needed.

    I believe that most of our governing body is made up of government scholars and military elites, all with years of overseas educational experience but seemingly devoid of fresh ideas. The core group of our PAP forefathers in the 50s were schooled overseas, had worked overseas, and assuredly had made lots of long lasting friendships and connections with people from all around the world. I am quite certain that the Singapore of today would not have been possible if all these ideas, advice, and help from the world over had not been collected and harnessed by this group.

    Fast forward to today, and we are sending of our best and brightest to foreign shores with the help of government scholarships, and then bringing them back full of ideas and experiences to enrich our nation. But my qualm is that the time that they have spent overseas is not enough, and that their experience may have been limited to just an educational one with no working experience. You would not be hard pressed to ask around and find that school and working life are vastly different, and that the experiences in working life heed more lessons and experiences than a solely educational one. That is what I fear about the current and future crop of governing elites. That they have no fresh ideas, and no hand on the heartbeat of the nation.

    This has been a huge digression from author’s original subject, but I hope that someone from PAP is reading this, and giving it good thought. Our hopes and dreams lie in the stairwells of their ivory towers. The feeling on the ground is that a tipping point is about to be reached. If nothing has changed for the better by the next elections, it will be a decidedly chastising one for the ruling party.

  41. RC said

    You should have stayed in your hell country. Don’t spread your kind all over the world !

  42. xiao said

    see how stupid the Sg govt is…hand out scholarships…in the end these bastards turn around to bite us….some more kong lang chiau way..

  43. Dan said

    PRC is PRc… what can you expect from them, after all these years of staying & growing up here, the brain are always heartless & selfish. MIW should know why they cannot and will never integrate in here with the locals… because, ultimately, we are just a stepping stone to them, thanks to this article, and even more thankful to those sun of the gun in MIW who bring in so much of this trash here. Integration? My foot…

  44. iScream said

    The writer can say this only after benefitting from the education here and is now quite mobile enough to go elsewhere. Every thing he says is negative and wherever seemingly positive comes across as a back-handed compliment.

    You tell me if what he wrote is to be taken seriously.

  45. RC said

    Prc dogs only knows how to bite the hands that feed them.

  46. Mike said

    What this guy saying is right ..our system suck.. I have been studying in Sydney for 3 years (from 2001 -2003). I saw the range of the beauty of the Aussie Education to the Society. Basically it is purely creative and spontaneous .. til now Singapore has evolve alot but mindset of the 3rd world government and the people is still the same. No point improving us .. it is already in our bone cannot dig out.

    I think our Neighbour Country are catching up (Malaysia, Lao, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma and Indonesia). They are even better than us.Therefore my dear Singaporeas comrades. I think we better immgrate out of Singapore. it will suit our younger generation better.

    • Julie Ong said

      Thanks, Mike.

      I do not like the ‘blame game’, but I would say frankly that this lack of creativity and iniative is largely because the previous PAP government particularly are control freaks. Especially, the Dear Leader, Mr Lee Kuan Yew. I wish him happy retirement….. but I’ve still got to purge my unhappiness with him for abusing his power against his political adversaries.

      Yes, we should ‘loosen’ up and free up our minds. Explore. Query. Don’t be shy/scared to ask. We all learn.

      Take care now people. I’ve got a pressing matter to attend to now.

  47. Poon said

    这些大陆祖宗十八代猪狗所生出来的杂种后代,永远不会有做人的思维。
    这大陆杂种所体现的人格文化,正是所谓的大陆五千年文化 – 没文化!

    • Some Passerby said

      Are you shouting to yourself? I really don’t know if you’re talking about the author or yourself (unless you are not Chinese, but happened to be able to write in Chinese?)

  48. The Dragon Boy said

    Hi Bro, you have disappointed our PM and PAP!

  49. teacherlongtime said

    Ive been in the education system in the long time, as a student, as a teacher and many things have changed.
    When I was a kid so very long ago, it was true that the rote way of learning was prevalent. Policies and a desperate need for economic survival especially after independence called for an education system to prepare ‘workhorses’. It worked and we survived. We still are when so many other countries around us are failing.
    But in the late 1990s, the MOE started to wake up and brought in new systems of thought, teaching and learning. Its a process, one that takes many years for the fruits of its labour to show up. The people in their 40s now wont see it but their grandchildren will benefit from the new processes put in place. Some policies were bad, some good but the point is that there was movement in this area to improve education. Give it time to show results.
    Our education system is still one of the best in the world and many other countries have made visits here to learn from it. Having taught both the local system and the international one, it is safe to say that I still have more faith in the local system. Did you know that some states in America have brought over our Math and Science local textbooks to learn from? Singapore still scores rather highly in Science and Math. Its structured – yes- but remember how does one ensure accountability without high stakes testing and the drilling that comes with it? Obama brought in No Child Left Behind, and the UK brought in something similiar, around the same time to compete with the likes of us. We’ve not had such major overhauls as the States or the UK- implying we’re doing something right though it might not be perfect.
    As for this PRC guy, do we even know he is really from the PRC or someone that wants to stir trouble? MIght even be one of our own …
    If thats the case, that must be one sad individual….

    • Independent said

      You’re right. I have a strong feeling that this person’s not a foreigner but a Singaporean. He just doesn’t write like a foreigner. Sure, there are prcs who can write very well but their writing style, albeit good or better English than the average Singaporeans, is quite different.

      • Goh Tong Seng said

        This is a translation. It is not the original language.

      • gentleaura said

        “The above was first posted in Mandarin in a Chinese forum and translated by a reader who wishes to remain anonymous.”

        Didn’t u read the footnote?? Maybe you are not a local if you cant understand simple english

    • Is the US system that good? said

      I had an American supervisor who stayed in Singapore with his family for over five years. When he had to return to the US, he said the greatest loss was that his children can no longer continue their education in Singapore. He is full of praise for the educatio system here and thinks poorly of the one in the US.
      Well, if you don’t like the education here, just leave and go somewhere where you will be happy (I hope) …

      • Submitter69 said

        There is vast difference in US educational standards within the country and even within each state. I can only guess the Amercian was referring to the public schools.

  50. Mark said

    Hmmm… got con when renting a house, studied in poly, not on scholarship; I think you are just an average foreign student studying in S’pore. If I were you, I would keep my mouth shut and appreciate this country & its people who had did nice things to you – stop being an ‘one-eyed dragon’ and see just the bad things. You had made your own decision (to study here) so you should take responsibility of your own choice. Warning others is not a good way to express your regrets. Anyway, if you are good you’ll be successful one day no matter where you are. Your own decision and action decide your own destiny rather than external circumstances.

    • Submitter69 said

      Gotta agree with you. If he’s as good as he claims,why did he end up in a poly ? Also he mentioned getting a GPA average of 3.6 is easy, so it suggests that the standard of US education is not that high. Anyone here knows the ranking of Berkeley compared to NUS ?

  51. Singaporean said

    Ungrateful bastard. I hope this article will deter China people from coming to SG.

  52. Oh My God said

    If Singapore is not good, China is worse and US is just better than Singapore, because their own people foresake their own country, stepped onto other people land, rampened it, and jump boat when they found that there is no more gold to dig. If you think the Japanese are evil group of people who sparked World War 2 and killed many, remain unforgiven by the Chinese, then this group of people will well be the traitor of their own country.

  53. Independent said

    haha maybe he/she should also explain why he/she is not returning to China (the place where he came from) to further his studies? Why is it Singapore or US? Why is it not his home country? Why???

  54. asd said

    There’s security in Singapore. Nuff said.

  55. Every country produces different people. For your infomation, the top students in Imperial College and Oxford last year are Singaporeans. There are students that enter ivy league university scoring lower SAT scores than the average Singapore JC student. If you can get through the Singapore education system and get into a JC, most probably you will be capable to compete academically anywhere else in the world. Even for you as a poly graduate, we dont even know you were the cream of the crop or just a screw up in your polytechnic. Good luck for those Chinese nationals who try to get into America with your passport, we all know how easy or difficult it is.
    I once had a PRC professor with a Cornell Phd. He could not even speak properly, his lectures were a chore to listen. In the end, he had to learn his spoken English over here. Most Chinese who went to a Western country did not even learn the fundamentals of English language. The writer did not even write a English version himself, we can see how comfortable he is with English.
    But, I do agree that Singaporeans should try to get out of this place and explore the world more, widen the knowledge especially in terms of culture. Singapore is too systematic and have too many predictable people. There are many things from other nationalities which we can learn from, to add on the good values we already have. If you are not happy with a place move on to another, otherwise be happy with where you are.

  56. Ang Kong Kia said

    Excellent translation !

  57. Wilson said

    I’m a local and I agree with what the PRC student said; and I’m certainly getting out of Sinkapoor for sure, stupid sexist conscription practices, racist to the extreme where a person’s race is printed on the Identification card, and shameful exploitation of workers with no basic minimum wages in place.

  58. Concerned said

    Very interesting article. BTW, the country you went to, many of the states are using the Singapore Maths syllables. If the place you said good wants to learn from a “bad” country, I wonder how do you define “good”? Do you really know what is happening here or are you just an ingrate ignorant due to your prejudices? You have given examples of black sheep in Singapore, how about those who have invested in your life? Those who truly cared for you and helped you out?

  59. local boy said

    A lot of hard truths in this article. Truth is most of the better educated PRCs from 1st tier cities in China don’t stay on in Singapore for long. They get educated and worked here for some years, and then move on pursue their dreams elsewhere with a Singapore passport.

  60. TAP said

    Good article from another viewpoint.

    No country is perfect. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. The author of the article seems to imply that the reputation of Singapore does not match the reality.

  61. Relaxy said

    this guy is an idiot. If he could get into US 9 years ago, do you think he would not? Now after 9 years of leeching singapore, he comes and talk like he have made a bad choice when he would not have any chance at the US in the first place.

    ingrates, after taking the goodwill of others, not knowing how to say thanks but still complain.

    And they wonder why no one in the world (even chinese themselves) like them…

  62. Chan JY said

    The average man on the street here have nothing to do with the advertisements which enticed them to come over here. They should settle the score with the folks who conned them.

  63. uzitzureil said

    We know why some PRC’s prefer to come to Singapore because your country full of disaster -earthquakes,floods,typhoons etc…. where as Singapore trouble free man just above the equator zone.So who is better…hahaha

  64. Wee Wee said

    Singapore will be a GREAT place to live if you are SUPER RICH! Otherwise life here will be pathetic. I will be leaving soon.🙂

  65. Khai meng said

    Not sure why he wrote such rude comments about Singapore? Did he missed taking his medication or some truck driver accidentally rammed the exhaust into his asshole n now he is talking like a loose ass cannon! I think Singapore did not trick him to go studying there! So if this country bumpkin wentbstudying in Singapore without being force, what what the heck is he rumbling about? If not happy then please packed and get the fcuk out! For God sake. If US is good for you then don’t tell everyone! Nobody is interested in your dimmed unexciting ungrateful mundane backward pitiful life. I am sure Singaporean rather spent time dropping by good old Malaysia to eat n shop then listening to your inflated unsubstantiated totally boring existence. To Singaporean we, Malaysian loved you. N by the way we, Malaysian are not loser as many of us are working in China to built your country so that cock sucker like you can go U S n get your sorry little ass whack!

  66. bb said

    I met 2 types of PRC in Australia. The first type they go to Australia to study eg postgraduate and subsequently work in Australia.

    The 2nd type is the PRC who obtained sg citizenship and become PR in Australia.

    The 1st type they can speak fluent english as they mingle with Aussies and I am comfortable with them. The 2nd type as I suspect when the PRC arrive in Sg they continue to speak Mandarin and the way they speak english is horrible. They usually fail their english test for their PR.

  67. Jeff said

    What you say is mostly true. However, this is true everywhere. You will be cheated if you are fresh off the boat. At least you are cheated out of your money and not your life! Over here in Los Angeles, you are being taxed to death on everything. Wait until you live in Monterey Park, you will be scammed by your own people from PRC if you are not careful! What you experience is due to your naiveity and not because you are of the same color.

    There are always good people and bad ones everywhere. It is unfortunate that you meet the bad ones. As for the food, at least we don’t have the same kind of food problems in China using recycled oil, chemical laden foodstuff and fresh organic grown vegetables grown in protected gardens only for the upper echelons of government officials and their atheletes.

    Why do PRC Chinese not liked? Well, as a tourist coming back to Singapore, I see PRC mothers letting their children pee in water drinking fountains etc. Disgusting. It is human nature to single out groups by differences. Hence, I always act and behave in my best in public to avoid such accusations hurled at me by others and singled out my race. This good traditional thinking is lost by most modern Chinese.

    One last question… Why was your Chinese teacher there in the first place? Perhaps for the same reasons, then why is he still there?

  68. 01dsk001 said

    I think anyone who has studied overseas and had the experience of having a PRC roommate would know better.

    The writer’s definition of “treating you like family”, isn’t so straightforward. When the writer says he treats the local Chinese like family, what it might mean is that he cleans out their fridge without so much as a thank you. Then he wonders why they treat him like s**t (his own words).

    Yo, kali kong. Confucius say “know yourself”.

    Wait, that was the rat, or someone…

  69. Singapuraboi said

    The bee thought and expectation that we r ur extended family overseas already shows an opportunistic mentality. Have friends with relatives back in China and they tell of horror stories each time they visit their ‘hometown’. They r expected to make material contribution to the community like buying TVs, fridges etc… And when these people need money, they would write to my friends’ parents for it. That is one reason they come to Singapore as they think Singaporeans r their family abroad and that we r suckers.
    As for cheating, well as a real estate agent, I have seen more conniving PRC than Indians and Filipinos put together and that makes me ashamed to be Chinese. My colleagues also tell me they have more nightmares with PRC tenants than any other races. How can this be? There are many other races in Singapore and no other groups but landlords all put PRCs on the top of their embargo list. U can write a book on the horror stories u hear. The writer can’t be so unlucky to meet so many rogue agents in a row. In his or her 9 years here, he/she encountered 4 bad agents, which is after every two year lease. This is obviously fabrication. No matter what age, the PRCs r mostly very devious. I have to do a disclaimer here as I have some good PRC friends. As they say good begats good.
    I have to agree about the US. The govt and municipal govt takes care of everyone in their district regardless of race. There is no GST on basic needs like food, drinks. They always take care of their constituents firsts and make sure that locals r hired firsts. They also ensure that the senior workers r protected and there r no ageist discriminations. Here the people have to fend for themselves while to govt is busy establishing a new form of govt and working hard to make a success out of it. Yes, in the US there is something as cost controls to make sure prices of basic needs, which includes housing, don’t get out of hand. But alas the US was built on very different governing philosophies than Singapore. The new world always aimed to be different from the old world, where our Singapore govt, laws are inspired by. US has always been for the people. And the citizens are the watchdogs. If any president were to go against that basic tenet and contravene the 5th amendment, he would be out. Here in SG there is no transparency and our people from a young age r trained not to question. Teachers are trained to scold kids if they ask questions and instil fear of asking questions. Whereas in the US people are encouraged to ask. Here u ask a question n u get told off. Even in real estate, I get sarcastic and caustic remarks and answers. When I politely ask a question, I can always expect, 8 out of 10 times, ” u r the agent, why u aka me? U tell me, la!” and if u attempt to tell them, u get told off too. Sadly, we r the result of our education system. I enjoy serving foreigners where every question asked receives a pleasant answer. No foriegner has ever told me off for asking questions as they know I m trying to understand their needs better. Singaporeans r cynical of even their own people what more to PRCs. This is the culture of Singapore so for PRCs coming here, I have one thing to say, “get used to it!”

  70. GetouT said

    It is hard to admit the things that have been said. For Singaporeans, you can only understand the article by leaving Singapore or looking at Singapore from the outside in. We are not a perfect society and we need to change in some fundamental way. Take heart.

  71. Dyan said

    I’ve been living in Singapore for 3 years now and I really love it here.

    Yes, the cost of living is getting higher, but that’s also the case all over the world. But you also must consider the excellent public transport (yes, I still consider the public transport here is great), and most important of all is I feel safe here. You can have a walk with your camera everywhere (even at night) and not get mugged or robbed (I can’t say this about the other countries that I had visited).

    In my opinion, Singaporeans are very friendly people, being a tourist destination country, they always offer a helping hand for others, offering directions to tourists confused which MRT line to take, offering a seat to elderly, and you can’t help it to try to offer your help for others as well. They welcome me like old friends. And although lately many people may disagree with my opinion, but I do witness these kindnesses in daily basis and if you care to look around you, you will notice these as well instead of taking it for granted.

    As their guests, we can forward their kindness to follow their rules, queue, don’t litter, stand on the left side of the elevator, don’t eat/drink in the public transport, don’t talk too loud, and be a gracious guests.

    So, yes, Singapore may have its shortcomings, but which country doesn’t?

  72. soul_reaper said

    wow! well said! kudos! woo hoo!

    now…if u r reali dat kind, fly back here n organize a MAJOR HELP to ur dearest comrades…tell all of them to get out of here!

    frm educated to non-educated, u ppl r all so full of rubbish

  73. bennyljh said

    What he said, unfortunately is the bitter truth. Singaporeans are becoming so self centered that they are unable to see the faults in them. A great word to describe us would be ignoramus. Kudos to this PRC writer, thanks for writing this~~~

  74. I came here from the USA in 1992. While many of the OP’s opinions in the article ring true they are also nitpicks; things that you can find wrong with any group of peoples or communities. Why does the writer not speak about how in the USA, you can’t really walk anywhere after certain times because you could get raped, mugged, beaten or killed? What about the racism that is still more prevalent in the USA; moreso than in Singapore – in my experience, SG society and culture is one of the most accepting & tolerant societies. What about the very high income tax rates in USA compared to Singapore?

    Also, yes there is a minimum wage in the USA, but they don’t have the CPF system. I know CPF is contentious in Singapore, but from an Asian American’s point of view, CPF is insurance for your future that is superior to whatever system exists in the USA currently.

    Why does the writer not talk about how the largest group of people in the USA are below middle class? 99% of the wealth in the USA is concentrated in the 1%. Singapore in contrast has a wider spread than that and our system here does not hold anyone back from making something of themselves. There are those who will complain and there are those who will do – exactly like in the USA – but our wealth spread here is more even than in the USA. Singaporeans also have a higher percentage of the population owning property than in USA.

    Also, comparing Singaporean food as being less tasty than China snacks is damn off man. That is your personal taste. Singapore’s food is distinct. Trying to compare Singapore food to mainland China food is the same as saying lasagna taste better than beef stroganoff. It’s pointless and really damn meaningless a comparison as they are completely different types of food and different tastes. Add to that, you are in Singapore and you only confine yourself to eating 1 type of food is quite a failure considering how many different types of world food we have here.

    That said, I’ve eaten 20 years of Chicken Rice and I still find it to be one of the most wonderful dishes I have ever eaten; and I eat a lot of different types of food from street food to 5 star stuff. Good luck with Hamburgers in the USA as your daily intake! I’m only making a point there by the way.

    Also, you are comparing L.A. to Singapore? Try New York and Singapore, which is where the parity is at and you will see that there’s very little difference in cost of living; and your chances of not getting stabbed in Singapore is much better as well. Singapore’s sister cities are Tokyo, hong Kong, New york, London etc…

    You also insinuate that you are an outspoken individual with strong opinions, but I can assure you, i am most likely far more opinionated and outspoken than most people. i have never felt stifled in Singapore. What you feel is your own limitations. People in Singapore generally accept your opinion if you can back it up with reason and logic. As with anywhere else people dislike individuals who think their opinion is fact without the ability to back up what they say. It’s very simple.

    Singapore is not perfect; it has a lot of good and a few bad that could use more polish, but by in large, as an Asian American in Singapore for over 20 years, it is one of the best places to live, work, play, start a family. As with all things, you make of it what you will. You are only limited by your own boundaries. There is nothing there where you are at now that you couldn’t have found here just as easily.

  75. Gnot said

    Ermm.. I’m a Singaporean. My parents are not educated, of course I’m not from a well-to-do family. During school days, I always played games, go out window-shopping, play Internet, and I nv do homeworks since Pri Sch. Lol..
    I only studied the day before any exams & major exams. But nobody believe I don’t study. Bcoz I nv fail any subjects in PSLE, though I just got a passing marks to Normal Academic & posted to a neighborhood school. I got 98marks, got top 3 of the whole NA classes, top marks for D&T. of coz I was promoted to express. In Sec 3 I went for a IQ test I scored 168 which is the same as a Chinese High student. I was invited to join Mensa Singapore. As usual I studied for O lvls the day b4 & I nv managed to finished any papers even Arts but I scored A2 only 3persons in my sch scored A2. Then I went on to poly, as usual I just studied the day b4 exams I also scored 98 top the whole 10classes in my course for some modules. And I had nv studied A-maths. Bcoz once I read the book, I can immediately teach my classmates. I dun attend morning lectures or do any homeworks. Nobody ever believed me. When I heard some mainland Chinese said that their Singaporeans classmates results r v bad. I was like huh? Pls lar my mainland frenz who studied harder than me getting lower than me. Don’t just say anyone the same.

    • Gnot said

      And btw I nv copied my frenz exams papers but my mainland classmates copied mine openly until my lecturer forced me to leave the room bcoz I only left 1 qn & I’m the 1st person who finish & I got all qns right.

  76. HITR said

    Sorry but the post is infuriating, to me, as a Singaporean. Also, I do not understand how come there are so many comments above that astonishingly is agreeing with the post author! Are they all from the same person, just with different identities?

    The education system in Singapore, albeit lacking creativity and flexibility, is, in my opinion, still of a very high standard. Show our primary 3 exam papers to the equivalent aged student in the US, and listen to what they say. I’m not saying that it is the best education in the world, especially not when making money is not based on a simple formula of buy low sell high, but it certainly is way more advanced than the curriculum in the US. Of course the US focuses on another teaching approach, perhaps allowing the Y generation to explore ideas, rather than our Singaporean way of memorizing formulas. So ultimately, neutral point, no plus or minus for each side.

    If the author had went straight to the US, and assuming that he can somehow be accepted, it would most certainly be much better! For him/her and for us. Now I’m not against mainlanders for coming to Singapore to further their studies or use us as a stepping stone, but at least be grateful, move on to a better position with positive comments about the place. It is most definitely understandable for moving on, in fact, isn’t leaving China already the very first step of moving ahead to a brighter future?

    Regarding getting racism, discrimination, conned out of your money, it is not limited to the author being in a foreign country. We get fornicated by our government as well😉 That’s how the pyramid works… unfortunately. I’m sure you’re not going to be discriminated in the US…. especially the US where people are so individualistic.

    For the rest of the post saying how the US is heaven and Singapore is hell, it’s all down to ratios. You earn more obviously if you do the exchange rate to RMB, but you also spend more, going with the same logic. Sure for the apartment rent, you get a bigger sq ft/$, this is fixed by the market. Try Hong Kong, going to Singapore. Same logic.

    Ultimately, if your degree from the US is not one from the top notched Ivy League universities, no need to compare it with other degrees. In this manner, work experience counts, what you can do for the company counts.

    In any case, I love my country, this is where I grew up. I don’t like scumbags coming here and badmouthing my country. The only thing I dislike is NS where douche bags packaged with a superior rank and low self esteem does certain unacceptable actions to whomever happens to be wearing the same uniform with a lower rank than them.

  77. NON -PRC said

    Simple truth, Regardless of which country you go to, follow their culture. When in rome, do as the romans do.

    The fact that his entire composition reeks of his emotions coming into play,speaks volumes. I am a singaporean, stayed overseas in three countries-USA, France and Canada. Although its true that Singapore isn’t really great and i have my negative thoughts about it, writing a composition full of hate and praise for your motherland isn’t very wise. It shows that you have not matured enough to view things from a balanced perspective as you let your emotions come into play. Simply from this point, i believe most decent people would be able to realise that your words hold little or no weight. And it reflects badly on you PRCs.

    I have been to more than 20 countries and stayed for long periods of time in the above mentioned 3 countries.And i would not say that Singapore is the worst, i have seen worse. Infact i think the states are alot more screwed up. If a person lacks common sense and drinks from a steaming cup of coffee,scald themselves and then has the cheek to sue the company and YET win the lawsuit, i dont think that is a mark of a great country. It screams RIDICULOUS and STUPID. But according to you, that country is amazing. Now let me actually think, why is it that i doubt your opinions?

    Since you have been brutally honest, then do let me be equally honest. Are you blind to the fact that you PRCs have been behaving badly in MY country being downright arrogant, uncouth and uncivilised? Do take a look at your own behaviour before judging the locals reaction. Our reaction is simply the reflection of what YOU ARE. If you are narrow minded, there’s no need for us to be open minded when we deal with you. If you are calculative, there;s no need for us to be generous with you.

    With regards to the claim that singaporeans are clueless, let me emphasize a point.It happens for PRCs too.

    While overseas in France, a PRC rudely interrupted my conversation in french to a french and proclaimed PROUD AND LOUD , that the RENMINBI was of higher value than SGD in the world markets,relative to the USD. I can assure you, as of that time last year, the RENMINBI was definitely lower than SGD. Is this not ignorance? I will be kind enough not to call this stupidity.

    PRCs overseas once said proudly”we can do whatever we like because china is great”. Is this not arrogance? Are you not looking down on others ,just like what you claim singaporeans are doing?

    Unfortunately, i speak and write 3 languages- Mandarin, English and French. Hence, that obnoxious,arrogant statement was definitely understood by me.

    So dear Mr USA-IS -BETTER, do take a look at yourself in the mirror. And oh, do remember, do not take a sip from a steaming cup of coffee, lest your common sense was on leave ,due to your prolonged time in the states.

  78. hello world said

    so much generalizations.. chill guys, chill.. just because a few sillyporeans are cheapo doesn’t mean that all are like that, just because some chinaman are ungrateful b*st*rds doesnt mean all are like that.. prease don’t frame me for my rousy england.. sank q u!

  79. "DAFT" Singaporean said

    If Singapore’s education system has produced buffoons such as this writer, then I must accept that it has failed miserably.

  80. Henry said

    Almost entirely true. Those who haven’t spent time overseas, you probably wouldn’t know what he’s saying. Oppressive Government and Singapore it is.

  81. born n bred said

    Why are u guys even paying attention to him? Firstly, 9 years of education doesn’t get u to poly if u started in Primary 1… true? 6yrs pri education, 4yrs sec education. 2ndly, beating local students in school n scoring A’s for English means saying stuff like “frogs in a well” then I can only say laugh die me. C’mon guys, he obviously wrote this article with the help of someone else. And all u people who compare housing prices to the states or elsewhere, do understand that Singapore is a small country and the reason why we’re even goin up in prices is bcause of all these “foreign talents” coming here. Talking about humans, we don’t go about stabbing girls to death just because they rejected us. We don’t go berserk on someone else with a chopper n declare that our dad owns e local police department. We dun gather in hundreds, surround a girl n splash her with gallons of water (a waste) just to get her to strip for a cheap thrill. N we wun standby n watch while a lil girl gets run over by vehicles again and again. Want me to list out more? All you people who thinks he is right, pls look at the bigger picture here. If u have no idea what the bigger picture is then I suggest u keep your comments to yourself before embarrassing yourselves. Oh I forgot… I’d like to state a disclaimer too. What a joke…

  82. Cheong said

    It’s true . Sadly we are living in a country where the gov is taking advantage of us and paid poorly to be enslaved . Alot of Chinese singaporeans migrated away- PAP brought in PRC to maintained it’s xenophobic Chinese majority policy.

  83. Passerby said

    this guy obviously does not understand simple economics. with such a small supply of land in singapore, and such a huge demand, there is no wonder that the rental costs much more. moreover, he obviously has not really gone around singapore that much. with the variety of restaurants and food stalls in singapore, it’s incredible that he has to eat chicken rice for 8 years. i do not wish to comment on the arrogance of this person who thinks he knows it all, since it is, as he said, his opinions. but i can confidently say that his opinions are biased, and based on thoughtless accusations.

  84. Slang said

    It saddens me to see such posts and comments about it. I’m a student in one of the unis now, and I believe everything takes two hands to clap. Hence I would like to give an objective opinion regarding this.

    Firstly, the days of $2.50 chicken rice and $900/mth rental are way way over. Those prices are at least 10 years ago, after years of inflation, which brings to my next point in which he compares our pricing in rental compared to the US, please bear in mind, we have one major SCARCE commodity, and that’s LAND. There are reasons even a single HDB flat apartment costs hundreds of thousands, we’re a small little city island building on big dreams, surely, there are constraints. I apologise on us fellow Singaporeans’ behalf if he were indeed had been conned out of $10,000 in rental, but on hindsight, I do believe that such law-breaking isn’t common all the time. In fact, I daresay, even in “better” cities than Singapore, there will always be people with poor morals.

    Next, the tension between us Singaporeans and PRCs are intensely exaggerated at times. I have many PRC friends, some good who I truly care for, some terrible, but in retrospect, it’s the same anywhere else in the world. As much as PRCs think we look down on them, why can’t the same be said that PRCs think that they’re above us? I’m not here to divide, I sincerely believe there are good people out there (PRCs Singaporeans alike), but we often focus on the dark rather than the light.

    Finally, as for the assertion that we’re daft, I couldn’t help but grin. Has it ever occurred to him that, at any level, there are scholars in secondary schools, polytechnics, ite, junior colleges and universities. “Scholars” here are MOSTLY restricted to Math and Science courses in the tertiary level, but where has our “elites” flocked to? Business, Medicine, Law, Certain engineering courses, social sciences. It’s in everyone’s nature to be competitive. If everyone could open up and smile at one another and be friends, would we always perceive one another in such hatred? Think about it.

  85. miboi said

    Wow strong feelings huh

  86. yjr said

    In the first place, this PRC is able to survive in the US because he/she has taken advantage of our Singapore education system and our Singapore teachers to get his/her English up to an acceptable standard. Having made use of us and our taxpayers’ money, he/she has now junked our passport and gone to America where he/she is busy bashing us — the ones who helped him/her in the first place.

  87. 2cerlinda2 said

    Thank you so much for this very frank post. We need more people like you in S’pore.🙂

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