$23 million dollars of church funds used to finance Ho Yeow San’s music career – Commissioner of Charities
Posted by temasektimes on June 26, 2012
The Commissioner of Charities (COC) has suspended governing board members, trustees, employees, agents and Executive members of City Harvest Church under the Charities Act.
In a statement released to the media, COC said it instituted an Inquiry into the City Harvest Church (the Charity) on 31 May 2010 under the Charities Act. Concurrently, the Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) commenced investigations into financial transactions involving several individuals and companies, related or connected to the Charity.
Both the COC and CAD have since concluded its Inquiry and investigations, respectively which revealed serious misconduct and mismanagement in the administration of the Charity, particularly in relation to the funds that were in the Building Fund which had been raised and earmarked for specific purposes.
More shockingly, financial irregularities of at least $23 million from the Charity’s funds have been discovered which were used with the purported intention to finance Ho Yeow Sun’s secular music career to connect with people.
In 2002, the Charity’s founders, Kong Hee and Ho Yeow Sun (“Sun Ho”), embarked on a “Crossover Project” [“the Project”], with the purported intention to use Sun Ho’s secular music to connect with people and reach out to non-Christians.
Over a period of 3 years (2007 to 2010), at least $23 million was used. However, during this period of time, the Executive members were not told of the actual purpose of the use of these funds.
There was also a concerted effort to conceal this movement of funds from its stakeholders.
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fpc said
bullshit… sun ho is not talent at all. her songs suck.
kaypoh said
Haha, u know what “HO” means in American slang right?
David said
Su Ho should go suck that black man dick !
kaypoh said
Suck Ho! 🙂
Alan Lim said
Why no comments from City Harvest Church member ? Too shocked ? Hee……
dog of the dogs said
She likes B.D.
GeeGes said
Anybody check on waterloo street kwan I’m temple? On average, $2 per 5sec is donated. 10hours aday, in 1 year, $5184000 collected !! Where are the monies?
Chinese said
Don’t change topic leh. Who is the one staying in Sentosa condominium now upgraded from Orchard Road previously?
PrayTheLord said
at least the money donated is not funded for some album or Investment of Suntec City. Do u know that they temple did use the fund for charities??
ken said
do you know that people who visited temple does not get 10 – 20% of their salary deducted each month?
Law said
If it is a Protocall as what u deem, then perhaps more Charities should surface instead of promoting oneself standard really.
He has made that mistake, he has to take it as a man to show people Transparency still exist.
that could be a call / Ordeal he has to go through as part of the Plan from upthere.
As a Human (YOU ARE AS WELL), apart from spiritual life, everyone has their own & (Protocall) to be made, we have to learn to accept the ways for each.
So u Shd not really Compare this kind of 10-20% thighs against other religion to show u are very right, other religion might have Their (PROTOCAL) by doing good deeds instead of $$$.
so pls, learn to respect
Wicked Brain said
For what I know, KwanYin Temple are giving out scholarships to children fr needy families (all races) and helping out in charity works with the donations.
You can call them directly to check.
Bai Hu said
Yes, dun try to switch topics. Obviously, there is some hanky-panky going on in CHC over the years & Kong Hee’s punishment shows that Jesus does ‘really’ exist to punish those who accumulate money in the name of religion. Compared to CHC, do u hear that the temple committee members engaged in a lavish lifestyle or even ‘force’ their devotees to buy their albums? Think first before u comment.
Har' money said
Please dun add Oil to Fire. are u bias or wat.? do your homework b4 u comment!
voice fron the origin singapore said
Huat ah…Kong xi fatt chai
Lim said
Distraction from the many hot issues affecting Sporeans at large such as the FT policies, growing income gap, etc? Hot on the heels of Yaw-gate came the underage prostitute and prominent persons scandal, ex SCDF and CNB chiefs alleged `sex for contracts’ court case, ex SPH VP corruption and CBT, own goal STOMP fake MRT open door pic, etc etc etc. Akan datang Batch 4 of underaged prostitute saga?
David said
There more to come, standby Singaporeans.
Bai Hu said
Yes, maybe someone should start writing a book on all the crimes & passion that is happening in Singapore. MediaCorp can chip in with their TV serials too.
mel said
Haha, so true….
Cheers said
whats a kwan i’m temple?
blilas said
I think he meant Guan Yin Temple. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanyin)
Law said
He probably not chinese…
That temple is Temple for Goddess of Mercy Aka Guan Yin in Buddist.
people usually pray there for children & many things.
true, many people will often pray & it is always nearly “full House”.
By the way, this is part of the SG culture for very long time.
Btw i am Catholic, i am quite surprise tat Gee Gee dunno these as a Netizen???
This society is suppose to be Mutli race & religion with one another.
I really dun understand y people start dividing people using race & religion when shits happens?
looks unity in SG is gona lost for many people in the years to come…
IknowU said
$2 per 5sec is donated – Sounds like U need to quantify your accusations
blilas said
Agreed! He said it like it’s a fact. as if there’s people donating 24hour 365 days… plus it’s not the amassing of donation that is the issue here, it is the misuse of donation money that’s the problem here.
PRC really put a shame on everywhere said
pity the members… work so hard for the money… such a shame!!
David said
pity the member , young & old for being stupid with low IQ . Blind as a Bat !
lucifer said
Pity the pitiful who pities the idiots! its a scam from the start…dragging on 2000 yrs til now!! pffft!
Kenny Toong said
Religion is being bastardized. Remember the catholic priest who cheated his parishioners, kept mistresses and went to jail. Late Archbishop Gregory Yong was kept in the dark.
Ron said
Yes, I am a Catholic and I am so disgusted with that scandal. He has a PhD in Canon Law and he disgraced the Catholic Church. I was so disgusted that today I hardly contribute to the Catholic church other than the dollar or two I put into the collection bag each Sunday. Gone are the $1000 check that I would write for church-building funds.
I see the Cathedral in a deplorable state with broken window panes and walls that look worse than some old buiildings. But I shrug my shoulders. It is the Church that has to earn my trust. And I separate Church from faith in God. I love my God but I do not love the Church as before.
con by hee said
Church is church, pastor is pastor, god is god.
Church is just a place to worship god.
Pastor is just a human or another human.
Annoymous said
So all the while the church members have been “sponsoring” her music career. FOOLS!! LOL!!
sweetbean said
please get it right. church members donate to God – what men do with it is another thing. we do not feel like fools when we give to God.
correction said
Church members donate to the church in the name of god?
You retarded bro? said
God doesn’t need your money period. When you donate, you donate to the church. Please get your concepts right.
Same goes for the motion of going to church. You go to learn to be a better person through God and Jesus, not to enjoy yourself in some fancy air-condition church with lighting and stereo sound.
sweetbean said
I’m sorry, you don’t seem to understand what give to God means. Means we give to His purpose and the pastors and leaders are supposed to know what that is. If they follow his will, they will do such things as look after others (Christians and non Christians) in charitable ways. There are many other ways in which money given to God are used. Of course we are not blind sheep thinking that our spiritual Father is in need of money – now that would just be silly. My post was to explain that Christians are not fools for giving money as it supposed to be used to further God’s plan. I am in no way defending what is going on at CHC (where I am not a member) – just saying we understand why we give. If church leaders do not, then we are not accountable for that – they are and once again to God. Hope this clears it up.
lucifer said
Face it! its never been the truth…altered modified etc etc! wake up… now taking & cheating money?? it wil get worst.. as promised to the unbelievers
KA-CHING said
1)At least the money from the temple is not being used for personal purpose.
2) Those money are donated from people who voluntarily donated the money and it is only like $2 or so (within their own means and sincerity) and not a must (or so call commitment or contribution).
3) (might not be true) people who go to CHC are advised to purchase Sun’s album according to an insider.
To those “believer” or people who are trying to defend CHC, think rationally. meanwhile, we shall wait for the result of investigation conducted to see if he is really innocent and not bring in any sensitive issues into this picture.
Wicked Brain said
Yes, over here we are discussing about the misconduct of CHC’s founder and his partners and not on the religion.
Hope people don’t relate it with donations from other popular places of worship.
kaypoh said
Yeah if u give me 10% of ur million $$$ income & a BJ I also convert lor
Anthony Tang said
What a shame, using Christ’s name for their own benefits. This is Sacrilege to the highest degree
Troy said
Both Kong Hee and his wife should be jailed and fined. They cheated church members of their hard-earned money. Wonder how many more of such ‘pastors’ will be brought to justice in future.
Axe said
So much about preaching about salvation and going to heaven. The one preaching are spending the money of the ones they preached to and lived like in heaven.
E said
Religion aside, this pair of husband and wife is running the church like a business, and based on the amount of money donated, it is a successful business for them. Pretty sure the money involved is way beyond 23mil
Suhaila Hashim said
What a picture perfect … Sun Ho and Wyclef. They are perfect for each other. Both are known to launder charities money. No wonder they work ‘so well’ together. Sun Ho team launder church money and Wyclef launder Haiti Earthquake Relief Fund. Awwww match made in heaven. Who knows they exchange notes on the how-tos of laundering … Below is wyclef’s link
http://m.nypost.com/p/news/international/quandered_millions_hBeqPFQ6KfrdETKp0CjKII
Blue Nights said
“With God, all things are permissible.” Christopher Hitchens
Ron said
The government has to be harsh on such scoundrels. Religion is one of the foundations for peace and harmony in Singapore. And when church leaders steal, cheat and betrays their flocks, the damage is more than the sums involved. It also weaken the very foundation of faith and God knows what other consequences will arise.
And it is time to have government appointed independent committees to check all religious organizations. And such costs have to be borne by the religious organizations. Also, why should religions be exempted from paying taxes? Many are acting more like banks and businesses. They should pay taxes just like anyone but be given tax credit when they can show proof of valid expenditures.
ANGRY Bird said
agree.
foreigner said
Only the irrational Singaporeans can be duped at this scale. “she’s doing God’s work while rubbing her body against black dudes!” “what matters is we get our air conditioned theater, good music and someone to lie to us on Sunday”
lucifer said
Haha!!! gd one…=> rub her body only?? sure hope so..haha!
phan said
Pastor kong hee rocks! He is able to cheat so many believers, shows you how vunerable city harvest members are, they should learn from his way and cheat their grandparents, parents and friends money, city harvest members arw a bynch of fools trying to buy their way to heaven, they should put their 10% tidings to better use, like supporting more pastors who need to support their wifes singing career……..like what the others mention support waterloo street kwan yim temple, donate to the needy instead.
Yap Yeong Keen said
Why are people mocking CHC members here? I believe this is sadly prevalent in every religious organisation. The member who give are not at fault nor should they feel cheated in any way, they gave for a cause that they believe in same as those donating in the Guang Ying temple, if someone chooses to steal from religion then so be it, these people who dare do so (its like stealing from the dead) will have to face whatever comes to them in this life or after…….
What is so sad here is that this will deal another blow to charities and their beneficiaries as people will once again become sceptical about donations. I will like everyone to continue to donate without doubt, let those who want to benefit from these for their own purpose face the darkest fiercest damnations that will come their way.
They deserve it? said
They mock CHC members cause when there was a time when people told them how ridiculous this whole City Harvest Facade is, they choose to ignore. Donations @ Guan Yin temple pales so much in comparison when compared with 10% of your monthly income! Imagine earing 2K and throwing 200 to CH? Take 14,000 members now and x that amount (Yes i know not all members earn 2K) – that amounts to 280, 0000.
Remember Jesus didnt preach at a concert or a fancy church with lightings and stereo sound. he did it out in the pastures, on a boat in the middle of a lake. This CHC members misses the point of attending church. Is not to enjoy themselves, is to learn to be a better person through God and Jesus.
AMEN.
lucifer said
Jesus?? he doesnt know his name is changed in the first place…
Peter said
The giving of a tithe (10%) is a valid biblical principle and a common practice amongst churches all over the world ….you should get out more! The charges having nothing to do with this anyway – it is based on their charity (building) fund which is separate to the church. It is alleged money was used for a strategy to connect with secular audiences which they deem to be an inappropriate use. what no one has mentioned is all the funds used were paid back to the fund.
As for your other inane comments – Jesus also preached in the temple and it was definitely a fancy place. You should check out what went into the temple that Solomon built. The reason he preached from the boat (which was not in the middle just a little way out) is speaking across water will amplify your voice …like a sound system. I’m sure the Lord has no problem with sound systems to preach His word. Wake up and come into 21st century.
What Do You Think? said
It was 23 million! Not 2 or 3 million! Kong Hee and his wife stay in a swanky 2.6 million apartment right smack in Orchard! They even hire a private chauffeur and have properties in USA. All this money comes from the hapless Church members who donated faithfully to the Church every week.
Realist said
New Creation must now be trembling and on full alert.
kaypoh said
Wah $23 mil over 3 years is *a bit more* than what our top leaders earn leh…. if Jesus had that kind of funding possibly Herod’s palace wudda been easily rented for living quarters, and Pontius Pilate wudda let him off with a warning & a $1000 fine, since “nobody was killed by all the sermons”, & they wudda held a triumph for him in Rome with daily bilingual sessions in the Coliseum…. true religion dun need so much money lah, why, if they built an aircond SUNTEC on the mount will the sermons there be more effective?
lucifer said
“Donations” will be more effective in Suntec! i will personally preech crap & run away with the $$$$…hahaha!!!
Peter said
Hang on you trigger happy pharisees …they are charged not convicted. Perhaps at least allow due process of the law before putting in your religious boot! The funds in question were used for a strategy to connect with secular people not to line their pockets. If your (SG) legal process determines they have misappropriated funds then they will be judged accordingly …perhaps you would be wise to wait for that outcome before hurling your first stone of judgement.
As for me …I’ll pray for them, and their members, and leave the judgement to the law and God. Its our choice which side we choose before God – ‘the Accuser’ or ‘the Intercessor’.
Ron white said
Well said!
lucifer said
I choose the hoe sun! Throw her in an hiv infected jail…she noes wats coming for her!!
Roman Catholics are different from Christians said
@Kenny Toong, not sure why you drag in the Roman Catholic Church & priest into this discussion as clearly the subject & topic here is focussed on “City Harvest Church” & its Leader, Pastor Kong Hee for CBT!
Please note the marked distinction & difference that City Harvest Church is not a Roman Catholic Church & Christians are actually considered ‘protestants” who broke away from the Roman Catholic Church during the 16th Century in Rome.
For your information, just like shipping terms/Incoterms, there are currently more than 15 Christian Denominations grouped into families such as Adventist, Baptist Family, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Anglican, Communal Family, Holiness Family, Eastern Orthodox, Methodist, Mormons and so on whose respective Denominations have different beliefs & practices altogether as compared to the Roman Catholics! Some of these are considered ‘cults’ and are very much different from the Roman Catholic Church.
The subject City Harvest Church is belonging to which Christian Denominations Group (Adventist, Pentecostal, Anglican, etc) or are they just a cult instead like the ‘Mormons’?
It is quite laudable that someone like Pastor Kong Hee could appeal to such large followers & attracted so much in donations from its members!
Peter said
“It is quite laudable that someone like Pastor Kong Hee could appeal to such large followers & attracted so much in donations from its members!”
… or perhaps God is more involved then people would care to believe.
Listen Then If You Have Ears!!!! said
So your saying its by Gods will that he manages to appeal to such large followers & attracted so much donations from its members? – Let me tell you something you annoyingly prick.
Stop disgracing God’s name like this. God does not ask for a standard freaking 10% donation amount (kindly point it out to me in the oldest to newest bible on this point where it says so)
All god asks for is that we learn to sympathise with others misfortunes and donate whenever we can.
The fact that he appeals to a large amount of followers is because the mass is more like a social gathering like a concert or some kind of joke which more people are willingly to go and enjoy themselves rather then really pray and praise to the Lord God.
But as in the Gospel of John – “Creating a whip from some cords, Jesus drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables and he said to those who sold doves, ‘Get these out of here! Do not make My Father’s house a house of trade!’”
Mark my words, Kong Hee will be punished.
KH said
“It is quite laudable that someone like Hitler could appeal to such large followers & attracted so much in support from its members!”
… or perhaps Satan is more involved then people would care to believe
Peter said
I think you mean ‘annoying prick’ …not great grammar, but much better than your theology and understanding of CHC members.
BTW – I’m not a CHC member but I have found them to be sincere, passionate followers of Jesus Christ.
Truly you are..beyond words. said
@Peter –
Attacks my grammer – checked
Attacks my theology knowledge – checked
Doesn’t care to explain about the 10% donation and the total amount CHC garners from just that – checked
Doesn’t care to explain the fact that sunday mass is more like sunday concerto – checked
Presumes that i have never been to CHC – checked
Totally disregard a passage from the bible according to the Gospel of John – checked
Need i say more?
Peter said
I’m not sure you can cope with a theological reply but since you asked …here is a brief overview of why I have no problem with church members voluntarily giving a tithe (10%)
The premise that I and many others teach from is that tithing is a valid biblical principle apart from the law. The first account of tithing is in Genesis 14:20, where Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything (this was 400 years prior to the law). Melchizedek was the Priest of the most high God. His name means King of Righteousness. Salem was the original name of Jerusalem, which means city of peace, and therefore is also King of Peace (Heb 7:2,3). Jesus is our High Priest in the order of Melchizadek (Heb 7:11-17).
The principle of tithing was introduced by Abraham, a man of faith not by Moses, a man of the law. We are the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ Jesus. Galations 3:7 “….Those who believe are children of Abraham”. The same as Abraham, we bring our tithe to the eternal Priest as in the order of Melchizadek. Under the law the tithe was brought to the Priest of the time in the order of Aaron (Levitical Priesthood). We are partakers of the Abrahamic covenant this is an eternal covenant. The other covenants have been fulfilled in Christ.
Jacob’s vow to tithe 10% from all he would ever receive in Gen 28 was a statement of faith in God’s providence and protection. Jacob learnt tithing from Isaac who learnt it from Abraham and all these men were exceptionally wealthy.
By the way lets not make a distinction between money and produce, cattle etc. Money can represent anything that can be transported and exchanged including produce and cattle. These all have monetary value and are units of trade. Abraham’s wealth was mostly in cattle, which makes sense as it could travel with him.
The bible is one book and through an arbitrary decision was divided into two sections – old and new. The law was instituted as a schoolmaster to keep God’s people on track, that is, it was essentially established to serve and protect the welfare of His people, until the ‘once and for all’ sacrifice of Christ. However, Jesus did not come to do away with the law (Matt 5:17,18) but fulfil it – enabling us, through Him, to do the same.
Tithing was an established principle during the time of Christ. Jesus did not speak against tithing except the heart attitude behind the practice. Matt 23.23. In Heb 7:8 it refers to tithing in present tense – this book was written approx. 65AD. Also, the apostle Paul spoke extensively about giving and encouraged regular giving in keeping with peoples income.
Malachi speaks of people robbing God, which is somewhat ironic, as God owns all things (Ps 24:1) so we can’t rob “things” from God! We rob God from blessing us when we cease to trust Him, and prioritize Him with our giving. This is not an isolated incidence, it has happened time and again throughout scripture. Read Haggai as another example.
Many church’s have vowed to tithe to God, which is a valid biblical principle, and should be done freely from grace through faith.
Enough of your foolishness. said
You know your research, that’s a good thing. Unfortunately almost everything you research and state about tithing is from the old testament.
Back then tithe was a requirement by law in which all were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle (Temple). In fact, if you really wish to follow so adamantly to the Old Testament Law. Then you would be required to pay multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to about 23 percent of your pay as of today (due to the 2nd and 3rd round of Tithe that God set), not the 10 percent which people would have you think is generally the amount that is supposed to be given to God as offering today.
If you would however do more research of your own, you would also find that the new testament however nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with income” as mentioned by Paul (as you have also stated but misappropriated)
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also, On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. (1 Corinthians 16:1-2)
You are also missing the entire big picture behind the point of tithing (like i said to many people, don’t disgrace god with your own misconceptions or by misconceptions taught by others unto you.)
I believe as many others do that the old testament original tithe was a mean to provide for the needs of the priests system. And when God increased the tithe a 2nd it was was called the “festival tithe,” when they came to Jerusalem once every three years to celebrate fellowship. The expense for the festival, (travel, food, etc.) was taken from this tithe. The third tithe was given in the third year and was a tithe holy unto the Lord. It was a tithe of alms giving for the poor and needy.
I hope you have come to realize from the above passage that almost all of the tithes was done for a good cause, to provide for the needs of the priests and alms giving for the poor and needy and celebrate fellowship (not every Sunday but once in every 3 years)
What we have here today is City Harvest Church implementing the 10 percent figure as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving (ignoring the new testament). But like i say if you want to ignore the new testament and stick firmly to the old testament then kindly take 23% (which is the rightful amount) out of your own pocket and give it to the church.
I honestly do not see this as nowhere near what Paul has mention “in keeping with income”
Also the way you explain your passages reminds me of the way they talk at City Harvest Church, picking certain phrases and sentences from the bible and twisting the conception behind this.
Let me just get this straight into your brains – The new testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church.
Keywords for you to focus on – It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church and not the 10% that sham of a pastor would have you believe. I believe the needs of the church has already been provided for and well over the top, taking more then that is needed is just preposterous and a disgrace to Gods name and the true meaning of tithing.
Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
Wake up your idea Peter and by the way, you have yet to answer to the following questions –
– Care to explain the fact that sunday mass is more like sunday concerto?
– Care to explain why you totally disregard a passage from the bible according to the Gospel of John about people making the church into a den of thieves.
In case you still don’t understand, i suggest you do some soul searching – indeed every priest has an equal human right to live a comfortable life but definitely not extravagant lives and taking money from the tithes for his own use is indeed downright making the church into a den of thieves and i swear you to be the fool for actually believing they got the money to start their business and launch Sun Ho’s music career from nowhere but heaven.
They misappropriate the bibles words and its meanings just as they have misappropriate their member’s faith and tithe. If you don’t find it outrageous then i pity and pray for you, so that you may find wisdom through God.
Peter said
I really feel like this a waste of my time – firstly you stated ” God does not ask for a standard freaking 10% donation amount (kindly point it out to me in the oldest to newest bible on this point where it says so)” and now you agree it is in the bible? Are you learning as we go along here? I think you are out of your depth.
I made it clear from my opening statement “tithing is a valid biblical principle apart from the law” all my references were outside the law with the exception of Malachi. There is no problem referring to the OT as long as we filter any references through the cross.
Yes I’m acutely aware of how tithing was carried out under the law and also outside the law. I’m happy to give you a comprehensive response on tithing if you want? However I doubt you are really interested.
You don’t make a lot of sense with your arguments, they seem to be more based on conjecture then research. Further more you make a lot of assumptions about Ps Kong and CHC – you don’t know them but I do. Stick with what you know and leave the judgement to the law of your land and God.
Remember the gospel is grace and truth (John 1) – always put grace first. Shalom!
lucifer said
Well said!! hes an idiot. dragging God into this mess… btw songs of solomon chapter 5. mentioned by name in hebrew. care to check it up!!
LkySi said
How can Kong Hee afford to stay in a Sentosa Cove Penthouse. Must have misappropriated CHC funds to fund his and his wife’s lavish lifestyle at expense of parishioners monies. Poon was correct in 2002 that something was financially amiss in CHC. He spoke with prophetic insight. Kong Hee get ready for a prolonged stay in CHC’s new wing – Changi Prison
Peter said
switch on your brain …they own 3 businesses (top label clothing stores) separate from the church which alone would fund their accommodation. Not to mention book sales and the like!
BTW – remember the gospel is grace and truth. Always put grace first.
Jonq said
A total disgrace to all Christians. I totally agree to the fact that Jesus did not ask for the money, nor your offerings. It’s the pastor that mislead the truth and vanity that lead to all these greed.
muimui said
Can we not attack religion and just stick purely to Kong Hee’s charges? The prosecutor have evidence that he did misappropriate those funds for Sun’s singing career in US and that they were smart enough to cover their tracks too. We are not talking about 2.3 millions, but 23 millions! Do you know how much $ that is? The bottomline is, there is no smoke without fire. He can deny all and continue his lies. But, he will be denied entry to heaven because he cheated using GOD’s name! This is worse than Durai and Ming Yi!
There’s a price for everything and I believe in karma – it may not come now, but it will eventually come.
Peter said
@Listen Then If You Have Ears
It should be ‘annoying prick’ not ‘annoyingly’ …your grammar is not great, but much better than your theology and understanding of CHC members.
BTW – I’m not a CHC member but I have found them to be sincere, passionate followers of Jesus Christ.
Aaron Teo said
there is a Chinese saying, “paper can’t wrap up a fire” (紙包不住火) which is perfect to describe this situation.